Friday, February 5, 2010

CLiMBapalooza! 2010: Romancing the Philippine trails

The Federation of Filipino Mountaineers (FIMO Inc.) will be organizing a nationwide valentine climb dubbed as “CLiMBapalooza! 2010”: (Romancing the Philippine Trails on February 25 to 28, 2010. Their goals are to conduct different environmental activities simultaneously such as follows:

Tree planting
Cleanup operation
Environmental awareness campaign
Promote responsible mountaineering
Promote synergism, unity & camaraderie in the mountaineering community
Celebrate valentines in high altitude
Preparatory climb to break the “Guinness Book of World Records” as the most number of mountaineers who climbed simultaneously.

This event will be attended by almost 2,500 which will really help in promoting our bid in breaking the “Guinness Book of World Records” by 2011 as the most number of mountaineers who climbed simultaneously & the biggest cleanup operation in the world. Mountaineers from Luzon, Visayas, Mindanao and some parts of Asia & America also willingly expressed their desire to participate in this event. Truly a momentous event in Philippine Mountaineering history, this will surely help in unifying different outdoor clubs in this authentic display of unity and synergism.

Mountaineers will also do some outreach programs of different magnitude depending on the community needs. FIMO inc. is leading the way through this event which also serves as a unifying cause for mountaineers to work together in promoting environmental awareness. Visit  climbapalooza.multiply.com for more details about this event.

LUZON
MT. PULAG – Bagumbuhay Mountaineers
MT. AMUYAO Biyaheng Kalikasan (Bakas-EDC)
MT. UGU – Dahong Palay Mountaineers (DPM)
MT. NAPULAUAN – Biyaheng Kalikasan (BAKAS-EDC)
MT. POLIS
MT. AMPACAO
MT. TABAYOC
BATAD TRAILS
SAGADA – Travel Factor
BACUN TRIO - Happy Campers Pilipinas / OSPI
MT. SANTO TOMAS
MT. PATUKAN - KMS
MT. CABUYAO
MT. TARAK – Sinag Mountaineering Society / TakipSilim Outdoor Group
MT. MACULOT
MT. KALISUNGAN - TakipSilim Outdoor Group (TSOG)
MT. DAGULDUL – Philippine National Mountaineering Society (PNMS)
MT. MANABU
MT. MAKILING - KIKKM
MT. PICO DE LORO
MT. BATULAO – Philippine National Mountaineering Society (PNMS)
MT. TAPULAO – Freelance Mountaineers (Accenture)
MT. ARAYAT – Barkadahan Adventure Recreation Outdoor Club (BAROC)
MT. CRISTOBAL - Balikatan
MT. ISAROG - Amorseko Outdoor Tribe
MT. IRID – Team Conquer / Tukad Adventure Club Inc. / NOMADS
MT. MALIPUNYO - Pawis Pinoy Mountaineers
MT. TALAMITAM
MT. CALAVITE
MT. MALASIMBO – Dahong Palay Mountaineers(DPM)
MT. TALIPANAN
MT. IRIGA
BATANES – Batanes Mountaineers

VISAYAS
ALTO PEAK
MT. NAPULAK
MT. KANLAON - Mountain Tiger Rescue
MT. PADHAN – Bohol Eagles Mountaineering Society, BEMS
MT. MAYANA - Bohol Eagles Mountaineering Society, BEMS
MT. MADJAAS

MINDANAO
MT. APO – LOGSAC / Mountaineering Federation of Southern Mindanao.
MT DULANG-DULANG – LOGSAC / Mountaineering Federation of Southern Mindanao.
MT KITANGLAD – LOGSAC / Mountaineering Federation of Southern Mindanao.
MT. MATUTUM – Ateneo De Davao University Mountaineering Club, AMC
MT. HAMIGUITAN – LOGSAC / Mountaineering Federation of Southern Mindanao
MT. HIBOK-HIBOK
MT. TALOMO - Ateneo De Davao University Mountaineering Club, AMC

INTERNATIONAL CLIMBS
MT. KINABALU (Kota Kinabalu, Malaysia)
GUNUNG DATUK (Malaysia)
TAI MO SHAN (CHINA)
INDONESIA
CALIFORNIA, USA

This post was made upon the request of the Federation of Filipino Mountaineers Inc. (FIMO) and the information was taken from their Multiply site. Feel free to correct or update the information here by commenting. 

102 comments:

Anonymous said...

Galing!

gilbert,

Anonymous said...

hehehe..join tayo dito..:)

Anonymous said...

pano sumali mga sir?

--lance

dianne said...

pwede po bang sumama sa ibang grupo? I am a mountaineer as well but my groupmates are already abroad.

-dianne

Anonymous said...

laking pera na naman ang kikitain ng pnms d2...mountaineering equals profit...

Anonymous said...

pwede po bng free lance mountaineer???
dominique

Anonymous said...

sir comment lng poh sa mt.tapulao dapat poh SIERRA TAPULAO ADVENTURER GROUP(STAG)..Godbless

Anonymous said...

pwede po b mkasali ang freelance mountaineers??

Anonymous said...

parang Freedom Climb lng ... tpos sa June ganun din?

jazziegirl09 said...

Hi Sir,

Pico de Loro - Unified Cavite Mountaineers, Inc. (Feb.20-21, 2010)

*** For those interested to join us you may contact me at 09178273500.

Anonymous said...

sana may nakalagay din po na sked sa bawat bundok.
para alam po nang mga freelancers kung saan sila pwede sumama.. para po wala na masyado itatanong sa mga organisers. at kung ano po ang activity na gagawin..

just my 2 cents. :)

Anonymous said...

may dayhike po ba dito na pupuntahan?

salamat po

gideon said...

i merely posted what the organizers forwarded to me. please direct your questions to the FIMO and the involved groups. tnx

Anonymous said...

ALTO PEAK visayas please wag ecancel hehehe

Anonymous said...

pulag kmi 27-31..

Anonymous said...

aah mga sir paano huh b sumali sa grupo nyo???

panganayngumaga said...

sir anong grupo pwede salihan jan

panganayngumaga said...

ahh sinong grupo pwedeng salihan huh jan???

panganayngumaga said...

sir sino huhn pwedeng salihan grupo nyo ng climbapoolooza... at sa akyat po sa 25 to 28 paano huh sumali???
salamat...

jonnel said...

Sa mga wala pang destination, may grupo man lalo n yung wala, You may join us the
TEAM CONQUER sa MT.IRID Basecamp on
Feb.20-22 and/or Feb.26-28...
you may visit:www.climbapalooza.multiply.com

or you may contact me at:
(0928)415-8507 / (0916)374-2216

-Jonnel Lacaba

Jonnel Lacaba said...

Sa mga wala pa pong destination, may grupo man o wala...YOU ARE VERY MUCH WELCOME to join the
Team CONQUER at MT.IRID BASECAMP on
Feb.20-22 and /or Feb.26-28

you may visit:www.climbapalooza.multiply.com

or you may contact me at:
(0928) 415-8507 / (0916) 374-2216

Anonymous said...

Sana walang magpako ng mga name ng group sa mga puno..
bagong basura na naman yun..

Anonymous said...

nag tx ang group namin sa mga organizer nito ni wala man lng sumagot. akala nyo cgro nang ggudtime kme. if gnyan mga organizer, pinipili nyo lng mga kakilala nyo wla kayo mapapala.

- ROB HALL

Cheska134 said...

Kinabalu participants goodluck and more power to you guys! specially to sir Maldz of Halhalin Mountaineers,who i think will lead the team Kinabalu.be safe sir!

Jonnel Lacaba said...

to ROB HALL JONNEL LACABA ito relax ka lng brod maxado ka namang iyakin!!! anong group b kayo? kasi paumanhin sana tao din kmi at napapagod baka din hindi narcv mga inquiries ninyo kasi ako i'm trying to accommodate everybody as much as i could pero yun nga minsan napapagod din bka nun mgtxt kayo ay nsa climb ako at walang signal i'm very sorry for that. pls don't say walang mapapala kasi sa dami n ng participants ng CLiMBapalooza d na nga kmui mgkanda-ugaga kaya pls don't be a cry baby relax k lang..ikaw dn nmn cguro minsan d nkakarply s mga friends mo..o may friends k b? give me a call my contact number is all over..hehe ROB HALL? might be a little different to the Expedition Leader I know..tahan na ha...kasi di ako namimili ng participants ng climbapalooza at d rin ako nanghuhusga kung nanggugudtime ito...chill!

Anonymous said...

man pag ganyan ang organizer tigilan nyo ng sumama sa ganyan la kayong mapapala .gastos lang yan..mag climb na lang kayo in your own..gamiti lang kayo dyan.la bang invitational na la involve na pera imagine 400 bucks t-shirt id button,, tsk.tsk..

scott fischer burger said...

400 bucks per pax?
2500 targeted pax?
150pesos profit each pax?,wow thats 375 thousand na tumataginting!
kaching!kaching!(cash register hehehe)

Anonymous said...

sa 22o lang pde nman sumama sa mga grupo na naklist sa website ng climbapalooza, kahit hndi nkapgregister. ok lang nman khit walang tshirt eh, bsat my climb. wid or with registration

Anonymous said...

sir jonnel lacaba dun ba sa tree planting operation sino pala mag-provide ng tree seedlings? yun po palang aakyat ng amuyao at napulauan sana makapag conduct kayo ng clean up lalo na sa summit ng amuyao. mabuhay po kayong lahat!

Fredd Ochavo said...

With the upcoming dry season & the anticipated El Nino, will the treeplanting activities push through?

Where are the treeplanting activities going to conducted? Will it be done in all the mountains listed above?

Haribon just postponed its treeplanting activity for February because of extreme heat & dryness. Please read this:
http://www.haribon.org.ph/Announcement/POSTPONED:--February-13,-2010-Tree-Planting

Haribon says,"If we continue, given the weather condition, our time, effort and resources will just go to waste because the rate of seedling mortality will be high"

I hope the organizers reconsider. I suggest that they also include watering & weeding of their previously planted trees in their list of activities.

Just my 2 cents.

More power to your group & keep safe.

Fredd Ochavo

Anonymous said...

hmm.. now their bringing their businesses on the mountains.. tsk.. tsk..

ano na naman kaya ang pwede pgka-perahan sa susunod na mga climbs..

Anonymous said...

itutuloy nila yan kahit el nino.. sayang yung kita pag di yun tinuloy...saka sana nmaN PAG AKYAT NYO YUNG MGA SIGNAGE NA NILAGAY NYO BAKALASIN NYO NA RIN PARA MABAWASAN YUNG BASURA SA BUNDOK PARA MASABI NA GINAWAN NYO NG AKSYON YUNG MGA BATIKOA SA INYO...

Anonymous said...

Hindi ata nila ramdam ang INIT sa labas.
Mararamdaman nila yan dito sa loob ng site.

-abm

bagong said...

ok naman ung pag handle nila sa climbapalooza. nangyari na yan sakin ndi agd nareply.pero ok lang ako kc nagtxt den cla d other \day,, kc nga bz.. alam u ba un mga sir,,sana makiisa na lang tayo sa adhikain ng fed... stand n unite..

malaya outdoors club said...

mag kaisa na lang lahat,,..

Anonymous said...

Wag na po kayo mag away remember to respect each other as a mountaineer and as a person. Wala naman pinipilit na sumama sa climbapalooza kaya respetuhin na lang po natin yung activity na inoorganize ng bawat grupo or association. More Power to pinoymountaineer and sir Gideon.

-jijip-

bakas outdoor club said...

tama yan...

Anonymous said...

tree planting ? sa panahon na to .tapos magbabayad ka pa ng 400?para me masabi lang na me pupuntahan yung 400 mo kahit el nino... sige lang mga mountaineers.sarap yatang isuot ang commemorative shirt.saka isabit sa bakpak yung i.d
kelan kaya maaalis yung ganyang trend? basta tuloy ang tree planting.sayang ang picture.

Anonymous said...

sana po kahit walang climbapalooza o any event as this, patuloy po nating pangalagaan ang inang kalikasan. sana po maging masaya na rin tayo na may mga grupong patuloy na nangangalaga sa ating kalikasan. kung patuloy po nating iisipin ang mga negatibong pananaw tungkol sa kaganapan ng mga ganitong pangyayari para sa ating kalikasan, baka dumating po ang araw na wala nang mag-organisa ng mga ganitong programa. Siguro, konsensya na lang po ng iba dyan kung gagawin nilang "personal profit" imbes na "nature benefit" ang mga programa para sa kalikasan. Sa tingin ko, kailangan din po natin ang mga programa tulad ng climbapalooza para mas lalong mapangalagaan ang ating kalikasan. Saludo ako sa lahat nang sumusuporta at patuloy na nangangalaga ng ating kalikasan.


-Cory

bakas outdoor club said...

imbes na manbatikos eh makiisa nalang...walang magandang pupuntahan pag puro lang tayo negatibo.
kung ayaw makiisa wag nalang magsalita,,,,nakatulong kana.. stand n unite,,,..

JONNEL LACABA said...

huh!!! Juz got back from a long trip sa CORDILLERA kaya ngayon lang...

anyways MARAMING SALAMAT sa mga taong may malalawak na kaisipan at kami ay naiintindihan,
dun naman sa mga taong walang ibang alam kundi ang paniraan at humanap ng kamalian isang tanong lang kung talagang seryoso kayo at matuwid sa inyong mga pinagsasasabi nagtataka lng ako puro ANONYMOUS mga apelyido nyo noh? hay naku ganito nalang mgharap-harap tayo which i doubt d nyo kayang gawin pero i wud still give a chance kung may mga BAYAG kayo mgpakilala kayo...mgkita tayo sa isang makabuluhang usapan hindi yung ganito puro kayo pangungutya...HINAHAMON KO ANG KAHIT NA SINO SA INYO, LUMUTANG KAYO AT MAGPAKILALA TUTAL MATATAPANG NAMAN ANG MGA PANGUNGUSAP NINYO SANA MAPANINDIGAN NYO YAN HA...at syempre sasagutin nyo nnaman ito ng pabalang o pabuska hay at di nanaman kayo mgpapakilala...paikot-ikot lng n proseso pero sige lang mgkita-kita tayo wag lng yung busy ako ha...pero i'll make time for it, for YOU inuulit ko ako si JONNEL LACABA, ORGANIZER...ikaw WHO YOU?!!! SALAMAT ULIT sa oras madali kasi magkomentaryo ang tanong ano ang lalim ng iyong motibo kalikasan nga ba?at please WAG MO KWESTYUNIN yung devotion at commitment ko sa Environmnet...PLEASE huwag bka nagsisimula palang ako mgkwento umiiyak ka na sa kahihiyan...hirap dito andaming mahilig manukat ng kapwa ang nakakatawa sila din yung mga taong wala din namang silbi...KAIBIGAN isang PROJECT KO lang matapatan mo...at luluhod ako sayo..Oo MAYABANG ako at MATAPANG ako lalo n kapag sa ganitong usapin...uulitin ko ha JONNEL LACABA...madali lng itype yung name pero mas madali para sayo itype ang pang-iinsulto...lumutang ka,magpakilala ka o baka naman hanggang ganyan ka lang...pls be noted that I'm speaking for myself...and I'm standing by my word...anytime, any place...SALAMAT ulit at isa pa hindi bobo o ignorante mga organizers re: TREE PLANTING you may also check with HARIBON about my commitment with them and the Environment...just my 2 cents, if you know of something it doesn't mean na ikaw lang at ikaw ang may alam nun you don't have to tell the world that hey! I know this you guys don't talk to us first...maybe you know something we don't or the other way around...the thing is CONTEMPT is most of the times mistaken as CRITICISM...WAY WAY BEYOND CONSTRUCTIVE...so people let's sit and talk..magkakape rin ako dahil sa angas at tapang ko...baka d n kayo makaporma!!! hehehe...just kidding? I DON'T THINK SO...DARE? -JONNEL LACABA

jonnel pa rin said...

@ Scott Fischer Burger... IGNORANCE + Picking of Issues without proper research + Insultinhg Words =Popularity to you, or maybe this makes you feel good..you feel a bit "in" well you're not...dati Rob Hall ngayon naman Scott Fischer hehehe baka naman c Vice Ganda ka? at dahil jn may ngtxt...

jonnel pa rin said...

@ abm...gusto mo ng init? I'll give you one...kaya lang wala eh puro lang kayo ganyan eh...tara painit tayo...malay nyo makatulong pa kayo sa projects...gawin kitang pataba sa lupa...

How I'd like to see you decompose!!!

Oh may iiyak nanaman jn "kung ganyan ng ganyan mga organiZers..." hay naku give me break!

Anonymous said...

mabuhay ka mr. jonnel lacaba! mabuhay ang mga ka-FIMO! idol kita at ang FIMO!

Sa mga nanbabatikos sa FIMO,ano ba ang ibubuga niyo?! Ilan seedlings na ba ang natanim niyo?! bka wala pa! Oonga at mainit dahil sa elnino at mainit dahil sa usapan d2 pero sisiguraduhin nmin na ung treeplanting namin ay magiging succez!..kayo ba nakapagtanim na ng maraming puno?!marami kaming itatanim at mabubuhay lahat yun dahil didiligan namin always all the time at walang mamamatay kahit pa el nino!
ang yabang yabang niyong kumontra!bakit?! ilan na ba ang nahatak nyo sa bundok?! ang mga ka-FIMO, marami ng napaakyat sa bundok! ang FIMO yata ang may pinakamaraming napaakayat na mountaineerz sa bundok!kayo ba? ano na ba naorganize ninyong bigtime event sa bundok?! paramihan na lang tayo ng mountaineerz za bunok!
Sana magkaisa na lahat ng mountaineers sa bundok..makiisa na sa pamumundok! tigilan pambabatikos! mabuhay mga ka-FIMO!

nony anonymous!

Anonymous said...

at isa pa,sabi nga ni sir jonnel, hindi bobo o ignorante mga organizers re: TREE PLANTING! you may also check with HARIBON about their commitment with them and the Environment.kaya nilang buhayin ang mga seedlings kahit elnino pa! kaya kung ako sa inyo, magclimbaPalooza na lang kayo! tulungan niyo na lang kami sa clean-up at sa treeplanting! kung masmarami tayo magtratrabaho ng sama sama, masmaganda para sa kalikasan! magkaisa na!mountaineers unite! akyat tayong lahat sa climbapalooza!

nony anonymous!

Anonymous said...

If you are really concern with the environment:
Dont Make Mountaineering as your Profit:

PNMS dati FIMO ngaun..right??

1. LEAVE NO TRACE??u know wat dis mean??
PLs Remove the Signage of:
LEAVE NOTHING BUT FOOTPRINTS..
KILL NOTHING BUT TIME..
TAKE NOTHING BUT PICTURES..
LEAVE NOTHING BUT MEMORIES..

Pinapako nyo pa mga signage nyo sa mga bundok??
4 wat para makilala kayo but actually it's negative on our part
sinisira nyo lalo ang kalikasan..wala kayo pinagkaiba sa mga pulitiko..
LNT..where is your outdoor ETHICS??kung kayo kaya ipako sa mga puno sa kabundukan d2 sa pilipinas??

2. TREE PLANTING...organized by PNMS..
NO SHOW si Mr. President??bakit nagkaganun??diba ikaw ang pasimuno ng project na un??
JOB WELL DONE Mr. PRESIDENT..NICE ONE..Kwawa naman mga participants..cla nag TREE PLANTING..ikaw NAGTRIP
walang planting..

3.) CLEAN UP CLIMB..organized by PNMS again..
Nauna bumaba si MR. President at walang dala basura iniwan sa mga participants nya nandun at naglalamyerda
sa baba at umiinom ng malamig na softdrinks habang ang mga participants nya ay nagbababa ng basura kasi
"CLEAN UP CLIMB" nga eh..at ung mga basura tinambak lang sa paanan ng bundok kc walang coordination sa local
municipality..another JOB WELL DONE Mr. President.."MAY PERA SA BASURA" dapat title ng project nyo..

4.)FREEDOM CLIMB...PNMS na naman

Where is our T-Shirt??untl now wala pa din..pati kayo magkakagrupo nag-aaway-away dahil sa pera..kawawa naman
mga participants na sumusuporta sa grupo nyo kc akala nila maganda adhikain nyo sa mountaineering scene at sa kalikasan
PERSONAL PROFIT pa din pala..PERA PERA pa din ang usapan..FREEDOM of SPEECH po ito nasa DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY tayo..

Im, writing dis to inform my fellow climbers FREELANCE/GROUPS:

hindi para siraan ang grupo nyo kundi itama ang pagkakamali nyo..
hindi ako nakikipag-away at naghahanap ng gulo:
alam ko mga MATURED PERSON kayo at EDUKADO..so we dont have to fight one another
accept all the comments either good or bad:
KUNG GOOD COMMENTS lalo pag BUTIHIN
KUNG BAD COMMENTS pagbutihin nyo..kasi ibig sabihin me sablay kayo..
BATO BATO SA LANGIT ANG TAMAAN WAG MAGALIT
ANG PIKON TALO.. Hindi na ko mag name drop you know who you are Mr. President (PNMS)..

DOnt Make Mountaineering as your Profit..Pwede mag project ng walang regfee..
coordinate with DENR and local GOVERNMENT and to all possible SUPPORTERS:

Gideon pls. post this comment to enlightened the mind of my fellow climber and to all organizers
who make mountaineering as their KUMIKITANG KABUHAYAN!!!!

MABUHAY FILIPINO CLIMBERS GOD BLESS US ALL..AND LEAVE NO TRACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

"paramihan na lang tayo ng mountaineers sa bundok?" - nde nyo alam ang ibig sabihin ng carrying capacity, no? kung gusto nyo lang magyabang, wag nyo na sana idamay ang kapakanan ng ating mga kabundukan...

at wala yan sa dami ng naitanim na seedlings kundi sa dami ng naging puno sa kanila...

maraming dahilan bakit namumundok ang isang indibidwal... pero wag naman po sana nating gawing palusot ang mga dahilang ito upang masira ang ating kalikasan...

hindi ako nang-aaway... nagbibigay lamang ng opinyon...

- tope ng majayjay, laguna

Anonymous said...

dapat kasi sa mga baguhan mountaineers wag kayo kaagad maatract sa mga t-shirt ,id... di yan ang essence para sabihing mountaineers ka na... yan kasi pinausong trend ng mga organizer ng mga ganyang organizer e..ang di kasi alam ng mga yan pinagkakwartahan lang slia... kung talagang may malasakit kayo . wag kayo maningil ng kung ano ano bayad para makaakyat or magtanim ng kung ano ano kalokohan ang ginagamit nyo... sunod nyan... mothers day climb, saka wag kayo pikon, wag ka rin mayabang .. walang ganyang true mountaineer na pinoy.. mga baguhan lang kasi mga nauuto sa mga akyat nyo

bakas outdoor club said...

kami mga sir,mam sa mt.batulao sa 20-21 kitakits nalang poh. n more success sa FIMO..much better tawagin umbrella ng mga mountaineering group.,..

malaya outdoors club said...

cge mga sir mag kita nalang tayo..dyan

Anonymous said...

jonel lacaba... ikaw ang dapat gawing pataba sa lupa.. para magkaroon ka ng pakinabang sa environment... wag ka magbabanta ... wala kang teritoryo.. marami kaming batangueno dito.maraming bundok sa batangas..baka magkita tayo .batulao mountaineers

Anonymous said...

"MAY PERA SA BASURA"
nice one,hehehe.

dapat siguro sa project na to na climbapalooza ang tawag ay;

"PUNONG NAMUMUNGA NANG PERA"

Anonymous said...

mountaineering = profiteering...

fimo=profit?..climbapalooza=profit?...

mr jonnel..patunayan mo na lang di puro pera ang habol nyo sa mga mountaineers...wala naman nakikipagaway sayo init na ng ulo mo agad...sagutin mo na lang ng punto por punto di un naghahamon ka ng away...sige na matapang kana pero anu ang napatunayan mo sa pagiging matapang mo?..wala diba?..mas lalo ka lang nabaon...

ruthlessdevil...

Fredd Ochavo said...

Dear Mr. Jonnel Lacaba,

I admire the passion that you have for your projects. There is no doubt that, like what you said, you are a true mountaineer who has deep devotion & commitment for the environemnt. I salute you for that.

However, I'm not sure if the words that you used above ("gawin kitang pataba sa lupa..." and "How I'd like to see you decompose!!!" plus "magkakape rin ako dahil sa angas at tapang ko...baka d n kayo makaporma!!!") will ever contribute to achieving FIMO's goal of "promoting synergism, unity & camaraderie in the mountaineering community."

I understand that you became too emotional when you were reading other people's comments. I myself would perhaps feel the same way when anonymous persons lambast the projects that i started. Pero sabi nga nila, pag binato ka ng bato, batuhin mo ng puto...

I believe that the suggestions & comments given by some were not meant to put you down. Perhaps these people were trying to provide constructive criticisms, magaspang nga lang ang pagkakaDeliver ng iba kaya uminit ang palitan ng salita rito.

For me, what's important is that we have a healthy discussion in forums like this because it's one way to see what we fail to see. If others point out our shortcomings, we should learn from these to make ourselves better. Besides, these are just mere opinions and as such, you can either listen to them or ignore them.

Now, if you are open-minded enough to accept other people's points of view, here's my 2 cents again...

I'm not sure if the DENR and/or the local community already gave a GO signal to your treeplanting activity despite of the El Nino but if they didn't, you still have options. One is to do watering & weeding for your previously planted trees. If i remember it correctly, you had a treeplanting project in Mt. Maculot last year, right? When we had a dayhike there 2 months ago, I saw some of your narra seedlings & they were all healthy. I'm pretty sure they're gonna survive this year's dry season. But they still need your tender loving care on a monthly (or even weekly) basis for the first 2 or 3 years. Last June, during FIMO's Freedom Climb, you had a treeplanting activity in Ipo Watershed with the Jamboree Mountaineers, right? I think your seedlings there are now surviving and like the ones in Mt. Maculot, they still need to be nurtured.

Another option is to continue bringing your potted seedlings in your target areas. But instead of planting them this February, you can ask the community to take care of the seedlings first in a nursery until the rains come. It will be easier for the locals to water your seedlings weekly because they are confined in one space. By doing this, you can gauge how receptive the community is to your project. If they are able to sustain all your seedlings during the dry months, it's a good indication of a good partnership.

I believe that a successful reforestation project is just 1% treeplanting and 99% tree nurturing (weeding, grass-cutting & watering). We, mountaineers, can do treeplanting all by ourselves but we need the community's support for the nurturing component. Since we can not be in our treeplanting sites all the time to monitor our seedlings, we need the community's participation. I assume that goal-setting discussions with the local community are also included in your list of activities so, i guess, i don't need to tell you this anymore. Perhaps you've done it already.

Sir Jonnel Lacaba, I must admit that i'm not in the proper position to tell you what to do...I am just an online fan of Sir Gid giving my opinion in the internet. You already know what to do beacuse You know your local communities better than I.

All the things i've said above are just my suggestions. If you dont like them, you can scrap them.

Cheers!

Fredd Ochavo

Fredd Ochavo said...

Dear Mr. Jonnel Lacaba,

I admire the passion that you have for your projects. There is no doubt that, like what you said, you are a true mountaineer who has deep devotion & commitment for the environemnt. I salute you for that.

However, I'm not sure if the words that you used above ("gawin kitang pataba sa lupa..." and "How I'd like to see you decompose!!!" plus "magkakape rin ako dahil sa angas at tapang ko...baka d n kayo makaporma!!!") will ever contribute to achieving FIMO's goal of "promoting synergism, unity & camaraderie in the mountaineering community."

I understand that you became too emotional when you were reading other people's comments. I myself would perhaps feel the same way when anonymous persons lambast the projects that i started. Pero sabi nga nila, pag binato ka ng bato, batuhin mo ng puto...

I believe that the suggestions & comments given by some were not meant to put you down. Perhaps these people were trying to provide constructive criticisms, magaspang nga lang ang pagkakaDeliver ng iba kaya uminit ang palitan ng salita rito.

For me, what's important is that we have a healthy discussion in forums like this because it's one way to see what we fail to see. If others point out our shortcomings, we should learn from these to make ourselves better. Besides, these are just mere opinions and as such, you can either listen to them or ignore them.

Now, if you are open-minded enough to accept other people's points of view, here's my 2 cents again...

I'm not sure if the DENR and/or the local community already gave a GO signal to your treeplanting activity despite of the El Nino but if they didn't, you still have options. One is to do watering & weeding for your previously planted trees. If i remember it correctly, you had a treeplanting project in Mt. Maculot last year, right? When we had a dayhike there 2 months ago, I saw some of your narra seedlings & they were all healthy. I'm pretty sure they're gonna survive this year's dry season. But they still need your tender loving care on a monthly (or even weekly) basis for the first 2 or 3 years. Last June, during FIMO's Freedom Climb, you had a treeplanting activity in Ipo Watershed with the Jamboree Mountaineers, right? I think your seedlings there are now surviving and like the ones in Mt. Maculot, they still need to be nurtured.

Another option is to continue bringing your potted seedlings in your target areas. But instead of planting them this February, you can ask the community to take care of the seedlings first in a nursery until the rains come. It will be easier for the locals to water your seedlings weekly because they are confined in one space. By doing this, you can gauge how receptive the community is to your project. If they are able to sustain all your seedlings during the dry months, it's a good indication of a good partnership.

I believe that a successful reforestation project is just 1% treeplanting and 99% tree nurturing (weeding, grass-cutting & watering). We, mountaineers, can do treeplanting all by ourselves but we need the community's support for the nurturing component. Since we can not be in our treeplanting sites all the time to monitor our seedlings, we need the community's participation. I assume that goal-setting discussions with the local community are also included in your list of activities so, i guess, i don't need to tell you this anymore. Perhaps you've done it already.

Sir Jonnel Lacaba, I must admit that i'm not in the proper position to tell you what to do...I am just an online fan of Sir Gid giving my opinion in the internet. You already know what to do beacuse You know your local communities better than I.

All the things i've said above are just my suggestions. If you dont like them, you can scrap them.

Cheers!

Fredd Ochavo

Anonymous said...

@Lacaba,

Medyo maaanghang ang banat natin kapatid,nasobrahan ata sa taas ng hangin ulo mo.
Napapaghalata ka naman na pikon din.Kawawa naman yung mga alagad mo, maaga silang nabulag ng katotohanan.

Komento lang kaibigan, at hindi ka inaaway!..

-abm

Anonymous said...

Hello can i have the contact number of the Freelance Group from Accenture?

-Atom - 0927-291-5575 - Thanks.

Anonymous said...

ganyang klaseng pinuno ang dapat pamarisan yung matapang..na lahat ng mag kokomento sa kanya e gagawing pataba sa lupa..it means papatay ng tao.baka sa susunod na mag organized kayo ng climb at batikusin kayo mag style andal ampatuan ka agad.. este jonel lacaba ka nga pala.. ang dakilang lider ng fimo .. na handaNG PUMATAY NG TAO. para sa tre palanting kuno.. mag tree planting din kayo sa talamitam.dun kelangan yung taong matatapang na katulad mo..

Anonymous said...

well said mr. ochavo...

you can now start thinking, mr, lacaba...


- tope

Anonymous said...

maganda ang opinyon ni Mr.Ochavo sana i consider ni sir Jonel anyways maganda rin ang ganitong usapan ang kailangan na lang gawin ay kung may pagkukulang=punan / kung may magandang nagawa= purihin..simple lang di ba. Sa mga nag cocomment naman ng mga negative kung mag bibigay sana kayo ng opinyon at nagtatanong hanggat maaari sana po ay sa maayos na pamamaraan at yung hindi nakaka offend at siguradong ang magiging resulta ay maayos na usapan at talakayan. Respeto lang ang kelangan mga fellow mountaineers at magiging maayos ang lahat.

-Diego

Anonymous said...

@mr. lacaba

madami naman mga outdoor groups before na nag organized na ng mga open climbs, clean up drive, tree planting activities at medical missions but their leaders stayed humble lang kahit na meron din mga batikos.

sa mga tumatayong leader dito ng mga outdoor group sana isipin nyo muna mga sasabihin nyo lalo na kung negative ang feedback sa mga nakakabasa kasi kasiraan yun ng grupo nyo.

Anonymous said...

wow! i hate myself i'll miss this event.. see u soon mt. pulag..

Anonymous said...

hala! init nang usapan dito.. sana wag naman po umabot sa punto na papatay ka sir lacaba..

panget nang banat mo eh! kung talagang papatay ka, wag mo sabihin kasi baka unahan ka nang mga yan...
tsk.tsk.tsk. ikaw din di ka na makakapag tree planting ulit..

saka sir lacaba, may mga tao talagang ganyan.. mga mapagmata sa kapwa.. malay mo , baka isa sa mga participant yang gagawin mong pataba.. naku sir,, baka unahan ka nyan.. kabahan ka na..

peace.. peace..

- anonymous

Anonymous said...

sa mga nag oorganized ng mga climb... sana i consider nyo rin yung low impact mountaineering.wag yung pera ang unahin nyo.. nagtanim nga kayo .binugbog nyo nman yung bundok..sa mga lider kuno wag kayo pikon sa batikos sa inyo..totoo nman lahat ng comment sa inyo e

Anonymous said...

wala namang problem sa profit.kahit sino naman gusto magkapera pero ano ba pinapauso ng mga nagoorganized nitong hulabalooza na ito??? paramihan ng mga participants sa bundok??? responsible mountaineering ba yang ginagawa nila e wala naman kayong limit sa pinapaakyat niyo.anu ba kayo!hala sige,akyat lang ng akyat!kalimutan na lang natin ang low impact mountaineering dahil wala naman pumipigil sa atin.gano ba karami pinaakyat niyo sa bawat bundok?

NPA

Anonymous said...

NPA ulit

buti pang may bakbakan sa kabundukan. pag may red alert walang umaakyat na kagaya niyo, wala ring nangbubugbog ng bundok! sino ang matapang dito na kayang mamuhay sa bundok at handang pumatay? sino si jonel?baka pwede ka rito sa kanila-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITOTdg-eUiM&feature=related

Anonymous said...

walang katuturan at kahihinatnan ang tree planting sa panahong ito...kaninong idea yan?

Ikaw kaya magtanim ng puno sa lupain mu sa bundok, d mu lagaan, mabubuhay kaya mga yun?

Nagpagod ka lang!!!

Matulog k n lang...

FIMO said...

FIMO (Federation of Filipino Mountaineers)
February 21, 2010, +8 GMT
FIMO Official Announcement


Mga Kapatid,

Nasasaktan po kme sa mga nababasa dito sa discussion threads. Kilala ko rin kung sinong mga tao ang apektado dito. Guys, we do appreciate your concerns, re sa mga pinagkikitaan, previous issues ng ibang activities, Sir Jonnel, basura, Leave No Trace, t-shirts, IDs, profit, the PNMS President, etc. But on the above issues, I can see opportunities as well.

I am proud to be one of the PNMS. But we are not one of the GODs, as expected by others. We do have our own limitations, and we used to conquer our own fears too. Even to let go of one of my bestfriend (to be expelled from PNMS), for us to educate other members, wala kme pinagpipilian o favoritism. Minsan mahirap magdesisyon, pero kung sa ikakaganda ng lahat, kelangan magsakripisyo. Kung meron kayo nakita na di maganda sa grupo namin (PNMS), just inform me, see below contact information.

PNMS is not FIMO, or a Group transformed to become a Federation. FIMO (Federation of Filipino Mountaineers) is initiated and created by first 16 different Groups (and PNMS is only one of them), and we are motivated to create such Group - not to become a Federation to be compared to others, a but Federation of brotherhood of different cultures regardless of affiliations. At present we are composed of 40+ Groups, and still counting. Truly, numbers are growing, but we do not intend to have a million of members, but to create even 300 responsible Warriors to protect Mother Nature.

Climate change is a big issue, even scientists are struggling to address it, both in technology and education. Minsan nga naiisip ko na sana si pareng Ramon Revilla ay merong Agimat sa Climate Change, mahiram man lang. Mga Bro, kung may pagkukulang man kme sa ibang aspeto, like tree planting concerns, pakitulungan kme para sama sama tayo lahat magprovide ng solusyon. Willing na willing din kme na invite kayo as lecturer or magtrain sa ibang grupo, kontakin mo lang ako. Naiisip ko rin na sana implement na ng DECS ang Bachelor of Science in Philippine Mountaineering hehehe. Magtulungan tayo lahat para walang maligo sa dagat ng basura.

For us Climb is not a Profit, but it is one of FIMO strategies. STRATEGY TO SUPPORT OTHER ACTIVITIES OR PROJECTS. Kung mapapansin nyo, di kme nangongolekta ng Monthly Fees, Annual Fees, "fishy" Fees, or "hidden" Fees. Minsan nga, may mga grupo na nanlilibre para at least makasama lang yung ibang grupo sa mga activities. Di po kme mayayaman. Pero may mga nagpapautang rin hehehhee. Kung gusto nyo ng FIMO Financial Report, sabihin nyo lang. Pero kung may nakikita kayong mga iregularidad sa FIMO, report nyo agad sa amin para macheck namin, wag na po sa iba-ibang website :( please. Sa FIMO pag nagkamali, walang kamag-anak, walang asawa, walang kaibigan... Di kme Magnanakaw! Itutuloy namin ang Laban.

Freedom Climb, ClimbApalooza, Free Practical Mountaineering Course (PMC), Tree Planting, Rappelling, etc, are one of the great activities initiated by FIMO. Sa totoo lang, we also need critics on the other side, teachers, lectures, or any masters in the field, para at least maayos namin yung ibang problema. We (FIMO) are saddened by this issue, we truly need help from you, to become a responsible Mountaineer.

Dun pala sa mga Anonymous, kindly indicate your complete name and contact numbers, for us to address individual concerns, issues, or suggestions. Pasensya kung may mga pagkukulang kme, but we will attend to it Asap.


All above issues may wrinkle our skin, but to lose a passion to become a responsible mountaineer wrinkles our soul.


Ulit, sa mga aming mga pagkukulang, PASENSYA po!
Mabuhay ang mga Mountaineers!


JEFFREY PELAYO FAMATIGA, FIMO
Information and Communications Technology Director
0922-8981739
http://fimoinc.multiply.com

alvin esguerra, RN said...

wow naman, ano 'to press release? big time! ako rin (if the moderator/sir gid will allow)

PRESS STATEMENT
alvin esguerra, RN
freelance mountaineer
norzagaray, bulacan

sa totoo lang kahit ano pang nakasulat diyan sa so-called "Official Announcement" nyo, you did not address the issues that were presented to you. kahit magpa-awa effect pa kayo with these flowery statements, di mabubura sa mga tao ung mga karanasan nila with FIMO and PNMS. sa tignin mo ba bakit maraming nagrereact sa inyo? dahil lang sa inggit? i dont think so. di ka-inggit-inggit yang ginagawa nyo kasi ang mga totoong mountaineers di naman naghahangap makilala, o makagawa ng kung ano2ng record. gusto lang nilang umakyat ng bundok. sa palagay ko, tama ung opinion ng iba, you will only attract the newbies. shirt and ID? honestly sobrang pangit ng itsura ng mga shirts ng mga events nyo, mukha silang classified ads section ng dyaryo, i hope u get a better designer soon.

mga issues na dapat tinalakay ng "Official Announcement" nyo:

una, ung tree planting nyo. why didnt u even comment about it, i think its one of the serious issues raised. si sir fredd ochavo, i think UP mountaineers sya, active sya sa Ipo Watershed tree planting na malapit dito sa'min, i can really see their group's efforts. at mantakin nyo, ang UPM ay pabalik-balik sa ipo watershed, i see them almost every month! for them tree planting is not just an event, its a long-term committment!

pangalwa ay ang pagkakabit ng mga poster. do u think you will set a good example for your crowd kung ganyan ung approach nyo? leave NO trace nga eh!

pangatlo, based sa mga pinagsasabi ni mr. jonnel lacaba dito sa thread/post na ito, he's obviously so unprofessional! u should have apologized immediately, or sana cinlarify nyo ung mga salitang binitiwan nya. pero di nyo man lang binanggit un.

finally i think this website is the proper venue for these concerns, kasi nababasa ng lahat. anong gusto nyo, magcomment kami sa multiply nyo? e di malamang binura nyo un! i dont know sir gid's opinion about this issue, most likely he's neutral kasi someone has to be neutral. pero wag nyong isipin na pinagtutulungan kayo ng ibang mga mountaineer. sa gusto nyo o sa ayaw, meron tlgang mga VALID CONCERNS ang mga tao sa inyo and you have to address them. kesyo anonymous, kesyo Fredd Ochavo, wag nyong tingnan ung pangalan. ang tingnan nyo ay kung may kabuluhan ba ang sinasabi nila.

at kung sa mata ng mga tao ay VALID nga ang mga CONCERNS na nakasulat, it's your responsibility to address them. hindi naman responsibilidad na magpakilala with contact details sa inyo. sabi nga nila ng "burden of proof" ay nasa inyo.

thanks sir gid for continuing to allow free disucssion in your website at sana di ka naiirita sa mga issues na ganito. peace to all!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

fimo gusto lang namin malaman kung sino ba tong jonel lacaba sa uinyo ? bakit ganun sya magsalita na akala mo siya ang diyos nyo.. sinabi nya na kilala raw sya ng lahat..wag sanang sa ganitong paraan sumikat ang grupo o isang individual.. maling paraan to.. valid yung mga reklamo sa inyo.regarding sa signage,high impact mountaineering,registration fee.etc,etc/ isa lang ang alam ko in my 14 years sa pag akyat di ko sya kilala... at di rin sya kilangan kilalanin ng sino man sa mga nagababasa nito..ang alam ko lang guilty yung ganyang mga tao sa mga batikos sa kanila..sa mga di pa matagal sa ganitomg hobbies wag tayong maenganyo sa mga t-shirt, id.. di yan essential... mas mahalaga yung lesson sa pag akyat.at wag tayo humanga sa ganung klaseng tao...

Anonymous said...

grabe naman pla yung organizer nito eh.. tama nga newbie lang maeenganyo niyo pero kung ganyan ka kaya mr. organizer sa tingin mo makaka enganyo kapa ng sasali sa anghang ng dila mo!?

puro opinion lang nman po nila ang mga pinopost nila dito tapos pinatulan mo lahat.. tsk!

ingat ingat lang po baka maya maunahan ka ng iba at ikaw ang gawing pataba sa lupa..

Pikon laging talo!
Peace!

-gene

edge said...

Sino tong' JONNEL LABACA? never heard of him with my 14yrs in mntring..mas kilala ko pa c fredd o. & ester/manong lee.

Baka kilala lang to sa kanila...tapos yung kagrupo wala man lang apology sa sinabi nung kasama,nag press release lang..

JONNEL TAE ikaw maganda i-decompose sa bundok..
(pasintabi sa word pero mukang dika karespe-respetong pinuno)

Mensahe ko sa fimo:
Patunayan nio sinabi nio na walang kaibigan etc..kung diman paki-aralin ule yang miembro nio.

Anonymous said...

FIMO not an umbrella? Come on. It is still PNMS in the inside. Ginagamit nyo yung mga grupong sumasali sa inyo. Dummy kung baga. Mga alipores. Mga nauuto nyo. And quoting Mr President when he once asked me to join them as a staff writer for FIMO Mag, if there is such. "Hindi ka magsisisi", he was referring to the compensation/return that will be reaped. Kahit magkano pa yan, no way ako sa mga schemes na pagkakakitaan ang kapwa mountaineers at lalo na yung mga noobs na walang alam sa pulitika ng pamumundok. I know I promised that I will not say anything to you and your groups' detriment but hindi na lang tlaga ako makatiis. Plus nakakadisappoint din to know na Sir Jonnel of Team Conquer joined them kasi I know he's a great explorer. Re: Tree planting, better believe Fredd/UPMENCOM... the environment protection is his life's work.

BPS

Anonymous said...

Individual differences...

Diversified thinking..

It's healthy to comment/suggest/critic.
What is not healthy is the manner on how you present your thoughts.

SA MGA NAMBABATIKOS:

i understand di naman ito 100% mone making venture. hindi rin ito COMPULSORY. so if you do not want to support the project, don't join. and if you are against it and you can't be decent in expresing your suggestions, SHUT UP.

tao lang tayo, nagkakamali, nadadala ng mga emotion. sir jonel has been nice all through out until somebody posted foul comment[s]. sir jonel may have reacted harshly but i understand him. he just reacted. though negatively, the fault can't just be imputed to him. who ignited this in the first place? it's not him.

remember, we can never advance our cause by pulling down others.

God bless those initiate actvities to at least try to restore our environment, and to those who find joy in criticizing [negatively/arrogantly], God bless them more for they ned enlightenment.

let's be MATURE.

-kikai

Anonymous said...

conquer pala tong si lacaba,, na ginawa ng commercial ang mountaineering...na pulos pa open climb din.. para ipromote din yung mga apparel nila .. yes i remember na ginawa nito e yung almost 100= participants sa sembrano na halos di ka na makadaan sa trail sa dami.. tapos panay ang remind sa lnt.. nakakatawa lang kayo..at dun naman sa mga alipores mong nag po post dito. wag kayong umasa sa nice and humane treatment na ibabato sa inyo..you deserve it..

Anonymous said...

@kikai

mam kung profesional po si mr. organizer hindi po siya sasagot ng ganyan.. paki basa nalang po yung comment ni rob hall at icompare niyo sa sagot ni mr. organizer napikon agad..

parang katulad lang yan ng mga call center agent kahit anong sigaw at mura natatangap nila pero di sila sumasagot maliban nalang kung unprofessional ka at take note siya yung organizer nito..

peace!

-gene

Anonymous said...

I also had a "funny" experience with a similar activity last year. I already had a climb scheduled for the same weekend, and I wasnt aware that there was this "huge" simultaneous climbing activity being organized. Anyway, my club was included as one of the participants and I thought it was just a listing of all climbs to be held during Independence Day. And then I found out that in order for me to join MY own climb, I had to register for the "Freedom Climb" and pay 400 pesos when I was the one who organized that activity. That didnt sound right to me. So I had to request that my club be removed from the list.

Anyway, I think it is great that there are activities like Freedom Climb or Climbapalooza so that mountaineering newbies and those who have no climbing cliques yet can join climbs easily.

However, I do suggest that if you invite people to join your activities, then pls be sure to have a good system in place so that inquiries will be addressed swiftly. Of course we are all busy with work, life, etc. But you are the ones who organized a big activity so be sure to reply within a reasonable period (which means assigning many people to attend to emails/text messages/comments in PM--since this is an online venue that mountaineers know.) You cant just assign this responsibility to one person. As the other guy said, he was on a climb and couldnt be reached (Thats my excuse as well if my boss looked for me during the weekend.) And no matter what comments you hear from your potential "customers", then you should remain courteous and professional.

As a member of a mountaineering club, I dont see a need to join such activities since we have our club activities to join and I can also organize my own personal climbs, as well as join climbs of other groups, whether freelance or clubs. I dont need a tshirt or an ID to remind me that I have climbed this or that mountain. I have my own set of photos and memories. This is my personal stand on this and others would think differently. Other people feel the need to collect such mementos, so to each his own, I say.

However, environmental projects like tree-planting and stuff, I think that it is wise to seek assistance and advice from experts like DENR and NGO's involved in similar efforts so that our good intentions dont go to waste. And I say, kudos to anyone who actively participates in protecting/preserving the environment. But let's do such stuff at the right time and place, so pls, let's consult experts and the local communities.

Another thing, whether we are unaffiliated, freelancers, or mountaineering/outdoor clubs, we should refrain from climbing as a big group. We should keep in mind the carrying capacity of a mountain.

I understand why individuals/unaffiliated climbers joined activities like Freedom Climb or Climbapalooza. I am curious though why organizations who joined these activities did so. At first glance, it could be because of the marketing factor. But you can also post a schedule of your climb, indicate that it is an open climb, and there will be guest climbers who would want to join. And you can design your own IDs and tshirts as well, and they would reflect your organization and not another.

And so I post these questions to FIMO/PNMS who organized the bigger activity: What is your role in these individual climbs? I dont think you have a representative in each listed climb. (Pinoy Mountaineer has its own charity/friendship climbs and Gideon is visible and directly involved in these activities). How would you know that your objectives were met? Do you also have a feedback mechanism in place so that you can evaluate the outcome of your activity versus your set objectives (aside from the financial side of things)? How would you evaluate the groups who participated? Were they faithful to the objectives of the activity? Did they adhere to the ethics of mountaineering?

...to be continued
Mayan

Anonymous said...

...continued from previous post

I am not sure about the environmental value of a Guinness record for the biggest number of participants during simultaneous climbs, but I do know that such activities may have adverse impact on the environment that we are supposedly protecting.

Maybe FIMO/PNMS can take a leaf out of the book of the International Coastal Clean-up activity. They have targets each year as to volume of rubbish they collect during the global effort and they also report on the results of their operation. If you intend to conduct a mountain cleanup- then maybe you can also publish a report on volume of rubbish collected from mountains, classify what sort of rubbish these were (and maybe we will find out that many of these would be from trailfood wrappers or rubbish left behind by mountaineers). For tree planting, you can report on numbers planted, or being nurtured, or areas being protected; or statistics on how many local communities got involved, etc. These things have more environmental impact as well as informational value that other groups may benefit from when they conduct their own environmental projects.

Mayan

/end of post

malaya outdoors club said...

mga sir, mam tama n yan nakakalungkot isipin na may ganitong mga comment sa kapwa naten mabuti pa magtulungan na lang tayo.. isa lang naman ang dahilan nito kaya tayo umaakyat.. para kay inang kaya god bleesss sa lahat ng mountaineer..

edge said...

Well said Ma'am Mayan..

Hope this organizer/s really appreciate and accept all the side comments that throw to him.

We all know your purpose and mission regarding matter. Hindi mo na sana pinatulan ang mga comments dito which we already verified what kind of person are you. Pinamukha mo lang ang tunay mong kulay kapatid.

Wala naman cguro dito ang gusto siraan ang fimo/pnms or whatever names you called. Ang comments ay comments at opinyon ng bawat indibidual. Ikaw ata umiiyak sa galit kaya kung anu-ano lumalabas sa bibig mo.

Ituloy niyo kung saan po kayo masaya,kung alam nyong kaya niong buhayin ang mga itatanim nio sige po palaguin pa natin. Tandaan na hindi dun natatapos ang mission.

Atsaka sino nagsabi na may Guinness record ang magpa-akyat ng 500+ na climbers sa bundok? Nababaliw na ata kayo,hindi kami tanga para tumulong sa alam naming hindi proper na paraan. Tama kayo para sa kalikasan,naintindihan niyo ba yung word na yan?

Ang magpaakyat ng sangkatutak na eskarsyunista sa taas ay para sa kalikasan.

Saludo po kami sa inyo, ituloy nio yan pero napakahirap na sabihing suportado kami kahit alam nating may mali pero ilulusot parin.

Nasabi na marahil ng lahat ang saloobin kaysa umiyak tayo at mag-ingay bagkus tingnan nalng sa ibang anggulo ng pagkaintindi.

Tapusin na natin ito dito mga kasama. We absorb nothing but disgrace.


>THE END

Anonymous said...

ganyan na rin dati ang nangyari sa freedom climb,,in each mountain na inakyat,,walang representative ang pnms/fimo...ang dami pa ngang mga un-answered queries regarding sa freedom climb,,eto na naman ang isa,,.guinness record ang habol nyo pero ang ang bundok ang magsasuffer dahil sa high impact na dulot nito..income generator ang mga ganitong climb...ruthlessdevil

Anonymous said...

FIMO = PNMS, ung ibang groups na myembro dito, bulag, magising na kayo... at ang iba ngang group na nkapost sa multiply nyo ay hindi nmn tlga fimo, bkit nyo sinasama?

pwede nmn umakyat sa bundok na hindi ngrregister sainyo.. try nyo nga mag organize ng event na walang registration.. at yung mga tshirt ng freedomclimb di pa rin naririciv hanggang ngayon.. ano ba yan.. ang daming nag bayad na hanggang ngayon, wala pa rin tshirt at kapag tinatanong, ang daming run arunds, turuan.... at bkit kapag ngttext kyo palaging dapat my contribution or pera involved.. mga newbies, wag na kayo mg bulag bulagan. pwede nmn kayo mgclimb or sumabit sa ibang broup na di ngbabayad ng registration... wag nyo gawing bisnis ang mountaineering, masyadong obvious, kahit ano pa gawin nyong rason....


- dave mustaine-

Anonymous said...

ano nman kaya ang susunod na open climb ng fimo-pnms...abangan nmin yan...ano nman kayang celeb ang pede gamitin,,next ibahin nyo style nyo para di kayo batikusin..

Anonymous said...

Hi Gideon, sana di mo na pinopost ang mga ganitong issue. We tried our best na sagutin ang ibang tanong pero yung iba medyo "below the belt" na. Sana di ito ang "purpose" ng website mo na magtalo lahat. Kung gusto nyo/nila malinawan kung ano ang FIMO, attend sila ng mga meeting and activities.

Anonymous said...

Hi Gideon, sana di mo na pinopost ang mga ganitong issue. We tried our best na sagutin ang ibang tanong pero yung iba medyo "below the belt" na. Sana di ito ang purpose ng website mo na magtalo lahat. Kung gusto nilta malinawan kung ano ang FIMO, attend sila ng mga meeting and activities.

Anonymous said...

my god! sagutan talaga.

pra s knya (hindi ko na babangitin name baka lalo sumikat eh sikat na nga):
relax lng po. 22o nmn sinasabi nla eh. ginagamit mo conquer para makahikayat ng mga noobz w/c is partly good kasi mdaming nagiging kaibgan mga hinihikayat mo. they thank you for that daw. nga lng bulok na style mo kaya lumipat ka naman s fimo / pnms.

sa bagong grupong kinabibilangan niya o bago niyang kasama/inoorganisa:
ingat na lang po sa madulas at mabulaklak na dila. dami ng naloko at natanga dahil diyan. wag masyado padala. mga beterano na din naman kayo. alam niyo na yan, malalaki na kayo.

kawawa naman si sir jessie ng conquer nadadamay, walang kaalam-alam sa kaganapan. tsk

sa iba:
nasa inyo naman yun kung gusto ninyo sumama o hindi di ba? hayaan na lang natin ung mga bago, matututo din sila at mamumulat din sila. san ba tayo namumulat? di ba pag nagkamali? let them learn their lesson.

sa nagsabi ng dayalog na "ibahin ang style para hindi batikusin":
korek ka sana diyan kaso ganyan na yang style niya eversince at hindi na magbabago yan. hanggat may mga bago, may sweldo sila. ha ha ha

sasagot pa siya ulit.

durugan na ng english toh. katuwa ang gagaling nila magporenjer.

gideon said...

@anonymous: don't drag me in this argument. don't get me started. all i did was post the event and accept comments from both sides. and i think the other side has very valid arguments that those in the FIMO camp have failed to address.

h0w dare you suggest or imply that the purpose of my website is for mountaineers to fight! this is unacceptable to me. i have worked hard to build this site and i never charge people for the information i share here -- with the help of course of updates from blog visitors and readers.

and as for hitting below the belt, sino kaya ang guilty dito?

i only posted this event because it was requested by the organizers. kung ayaw nyo di wag! but dont question my neutrality because i have posted FIMO/PNMS events in the past like the freedom climb. wala akong kinikilingan o kinakampihan sa mga grupo-grupo. but of course, if the event is posted here then it is subject to the scrutiny of the commenters/blog visitors. will i silence their comments? they have the right to express their sentiments. believe me, marami na rin akong nadisapprove na comments that i deemed foul.

if you cannot handle reactions like this, then dont ask me to post your future events here. and i will not post events from groups kung pati ako ay idadamay at pag-iisipan ng masama.

Anonymous said...

sir/ma'am,
chill lang kayo..wag kayo masyadong mainit sa pagbatikos kay sir jonnel. bakit hindi kayo makipag usap sa fimo in person at dun nyo sabihin mga nkikita nyong mali sa gnagawang namin. hindi kmi sasali sa fed. na to kung hindi maganda adhikain nila.


wag natin pairalin dito ang init ng ulo..
mag tulungan nlang tayo,tutal pare parehas naman tayong mountaineers,
hindi yung para tayong mga bata na nag aaway dito sa site na to.sir gid. pasensya na po.

Anonymous said...

@GIDEON, your website is SO UNFAIR. Kahit saang angulo tingnan, you are are liable on what happened here. MERON KA RESPONSIBILIDAD SA 'YONG WEBSITE, kung di mo pinayagan ipost yung mga foul discussions - pwede, kung gugustuhin mo. Sino ngayon ang MEDIATOR? Wala! SAAN NA ANG ETHICS NATIN? Lahat nag-aaway. Lahat tama.


@ALL MOUNTAINEERS, siguro naman may mga pinag-aralan tayo. Di lang pala basura sa bundok ang kelangan nating linisin, PATI NA RIN ANG MGA BULOK NA UGALI NG MGA MOUNTAINEERS. Ganyan ba kayo pinalaki ng mga magulang nyo? Tandaan nyo, kung ano ang laman ng mga sinasabi nyo, nagrereflect yun sa pagkatao nyo. Yung magagandang layunin ng iba, nasisira lang sa di kilalang tao. Nakakahiya kayo, parang mga bata, nag-aaway sa walang kwentang bagay. Nasisira tuloy ang kultura ng Pilipino, pati ugali ni BARABAS, HESTAS, AT HUDAS gusto nyo pa manahin. Andami matatalino, nakakahiya kayo! Bago kayo umakyat ng bundok ayusin nyo muna UGALI nyo. PASAWAY kayo LAHAT!


/Agila

Anonymous said...

wala kaming panahon para puntahan ng personal ang fimo para dun namin sabihin yung mga issue... bakit ano ba tong fomo na to na biglang sumulpot na parang kabute na nagwawala ang lider dahil binatikos yung mga nasilip na kawalang hiyaan nila sa mga naniwala sa kanila.. la pa nga palang isang taon sumikat kaagad ang fimo-pnms dahil sa itinatapal nilang signage,nag freedom climb na binugbog ang mga bundok at ngayon gagawa pa ng record na pinakamaraming bubugbog sa bundok..sabay tanim ...sagutin nyo sana yung issue punto por punto at hindi yung mga myemro nio lang ang nagbibigay sagot na hindi rin nman alam yung issue.. wag na rin sana kayong magkomento kung pulos pagtatangol sa lider nyo ang i popost nyo dahil hahaba lang to at di kayo titigilan ng mga taong tunay naniniwala kung paano ang kahulugan ng kalikasan at parang kayo lang ang may malasakit sa kalikasan sa mga sinasabi nyong tree planting.

gideon said...

@agila: i wont even respond to your pathetic insinuations. don't visit my site if you think its unfair.

to everyone: sooner or later this argument must end. this is not really a very good topic and as this drags on people will be more and more agitated. i thank everyone who reacted, especially those who really gave weighty points on this matter, im sure lessons have been learned in the process.

Anonymous said...

@agila kung di ninyo inumpisahan ang ganitong issue di na sana kayo masyado napansin ng mga taong nagbabasa nito. sa tingin nyo ba sa post mo mabubura na lang ng ganun yung mga isyung ibinato sa inyo.. mas mabuti siguro e ipaliwanag ng lider nyo yung sagot nila dito mismo sa site.. di naman siguro inutil yung mga nagtatanong para puntahan pa kayo para tanungin kung nassaan na yung hinahanap nila.at pls lang dont point finger on gideon..it means na fair and square ang site na to sa lahat. binigyan din kayo ng chance para sagutin ang mga issue pero dinamay nyo pa yung taong tunay na nagmamalasakit sa KALIKASAN.. sino ngayon ang iyakin?bakit bigla kayong kumambiyo sa mga sinabi nyo..kala ko ba matapang yung lider nyo na kayang pumatay ng tao.? di pa matatapos to hanggat di kayo sumasagot sa mga tanong sa inyo.

Anonymous said...

agila guto mo ba dapat i-post dito yung mga activities para mang uto.?at yung mga post para magtanong kung ano ang totoo e wag iapprove? simple lang naman yan kung di mo gusto to e wag ka magbasa nito.. dun ka sa site para makauto kayo?dapat ganito ang mga online community fair sa lahat.. pinayagan nyang ipost dito yung activities syempre papayagan din nya yung mga comment dito..

edge said...

Sinabi na kasi THE END na...

Anonymous said...

@sir gid: you are so damn right..


@agila: does the truth hurt? kc kung hindi nmn totoo bakit ka magagalit? pinopost lang ng mga tao kung ano ang nkikita nila at napapansin sa inyo, ibig sabihin lang nun ay my napupuna silang hindi tama.. di nmn nila pwedeng ipost sa site nyo kc idedelete nyo lang. parang tv channel lang yan, kung ayaw mo panoorin e di lumipat ka channel.. the truth shall prevail..

Anonymous said...

@ agila...you are barking at a wrong tree,,,pasalamat nga tayo at meron site na ganito na nailalabas ang lahat ng opinion ng mga concerns,,isa lang naman ang dapat gawin ng fimo aka pnms..sagutin ng punto por punto ang mga akusasyon..

nakakatawa tong agila na to,,hehehe

...ruthlessdevil

Anonymous said...

Ang Swerte ng mga tao dito sa PINAS may freedom of expression...
Ang swerte ng mga taong bumibisita sa SITE na to walang mahigpit na moderator...
Ang swerte natin meron tayong bundok at kalikasan na napupuntahan...
Sana naman mga kapatid/kababayan kaibigan huwag na nating abusuhin ang ating swerte dahil sa hindi pagkakaunawaan...
Wala ba ditong biniyayaan ng salitang PAGPAPAKUMBABA?.Tama na po ang BANGAYAN at Daldalan wala po tayong mararating sa ganito... at the end of the day... lahat po tayo LOSER... PEACE mga kapatid... ano po ba naman yong palagpasin natin kahit minsan lang ang mga salitang hindi maganda sa ating pandinig.. isipin na lang natin tao lang tayo hindi PERPEKTO.
Sino po ba ako at anong karapatan kong magsalita para sa inyo? ako po ay baguhang MAMUMUNDOK at sa bawat AKYAT KO SINISUGARDO KO KASAMA KO ANAK KO... Ayaw ko po na sa susunod na HENERASYON ng mamumundok ay ganito ang kamulatan nila nagbabangayan sa pag-akyat eh sa totoo lang hindi naman po masarap umakyat sa bundok. SIGURO NAMAN PO at the back of your mind AYAW NYONG IPAMANA ang ganitong sistema ng PAGAKYAT.. SALAMAT PO..

JAY

Anonymous said...

unfair ka dyan! for you its unfair beacause you're
on fimo's side.. tsk tsk tsk

gideon said...

this is already the 99th comment on this post. i think enough has been said regarding the matter. perhaps the only further comment i will allow is a word from the organizers of this event, if they wish to have the final say. i am hoping for everyone's understanding on this matter.

edwin d. padrilanan said...

mga kasamang mountaineer:

pagbati sa inyong lahat. bagamat nakakagulat ang haba ng thread na nakapost dito hinggil sa mga impresyon, akusasyon at reaksyon tungkol sa climbapalooza, hindi rin maiaalis ang pagtingin na may malaking lamat na naghahati-hati sa ating hanay ngayon.

obvious naman na ang mga sagutan ay may pinagmulang mga isyu, personal man o hindi, totoo man o hindi.

ito ay reaksyon ko sa mga nabasa ko sa itaas at maaari ding hindi umaayon sa opinyon ng iba pa. ngunit bago ang lahat, hinihiling kong magpakahinahon muna tayo para mas maging rational tayo sa pag-handle ng mga isyung nauna nang nabanggit sa itaas. hindi tama na pagsamahin ang emosyon/galit sa pagsasabi ng mga bagay na maaaring sa bandang huli ay pagsisihan natin.

una higit sa lahat, tayo ay nabibilang sa mountaineering community. at normal sa isang komunidad na minsan ay hindi nagkakaunawaan dahil sa diversity ng mga tao, gayundin ng kanilang mga paniniwala, pananaw, karanasan, katayuang sosyo-ekonomikal at iba pang bagay. but at the end of the day, kailangan pa din nating magkaisa para manatiling buo at solido ang komunidad.

in my capacity as fimo's vp for external affairs/operations, please allow me to extend my sincerest apologies on the way things mentioned here were handled by some of our members and officers as well. naging emotional ang iba batay sa mga nakasulat sa itaas na sinagot din naman ng mga reaksyong maaaring hindi katanggap-tanggap sa iba pa. again, our sincerest apologies.

to be continued...

edwin d. padrilanan
vp, external affairs/operations, fimo, inc.
0929.7777647/(02)253.5357

edwin d. padrilanan said...

...continuation

para sa kabatiran ng lahat, sinisikap ng fimo na maharap ang lahat ng isyung nabanggit sa abot ng kanyang kakayanan.

the issues and concerns mentioned, esp. those of mr. fredd ochavo and ms. mayan, are very significant, and personally, i think we should consider their suggestions.

fimo is firm in its dedication and commitment for the environment. member-organizations are passionately involved in their own ways to promote the welfare of the environment and are actively implementing projects/programs in different levels and extent. we may have mishandled certain issues as pointed out above re: tree-planting but we are more than willing to rectify this and pursue related projects in coordination with the proper authorities and environmental groups like haribon and the upmencom. we also recognize the need to involve the communities in the grassroot-level and establish an active and harmonious partnership with them to ensure the success of such programs/projects. this is our long-term commitment; to be part of the education, organization and mobilization of the people in communities, where mountains we passionately love as mountaineers are located, because we owe it to them that mountaineering thrives in the country. masarap balik-balikan ang mga bundok na kinakalinga ng mga mismong taga-roon, at mas masarap ang pakiramdam kung ang buong mountaineering community at kabahagi nila sa pagkalinga sa kanilang mga kabundukan. and please, we are missing the point as we are barking at each other; we have a common enemy, so to speak, which is primarily the reason for the destruction of our environment. of course im talking about the government*. (*this is my personal opinion and does not necessarily reflect the federation's stand on the matter, so comments/reactions should be directed to me.)

another related concern is our common philosophy of "leave no trace". i believe that pnms, a member-organization of fimo is taking serious measures to address the issue. organizationally, it is imperative that member-organizations of the federation are practitioners of the LNT outdoor ethics. please note that this is part of our commitment to the environment and to the mountaineering community as well.

as for the issues raised re: freedom climb 2009, i believe pnms, being its organizer, is already taking measures for their ultimate resolution. any other concern about this may be addressed to the group. fimo, for the record, is not pnms. it is a federation of different mountaineering groups in the country and pnms is a member. of course we owe it to the efforts of the pnms in organizing the freedom climb 2009 that mountaineers came together and eventually organized fimo. but pnms has its own dynamism and retain its independence organizationally, along with its internal policies, programs and regulations.

to be continued...

edwin d. padrilanan
vp, external affairs/operations, fimo, inc.
0929.7777647/(02)253.5357

edwin d. padrilanan said...

as for the idea of making a profit out of mountaineering, it would be preposterous to deny the fact that fimo did gain monetarily from this activity (climbapalooza 2010). but, in the name of common sense, understand the fact that any organization, especially independent and self-supporting ones, are being compelled by circumstances, to generate funds to support and sustain its programs. fimo has conducted various activities aimed at improving outdoor skills and proper conduct for free and there will be more of these as we are deeply committed to the moulding and re-moulding of mountaineers skills-wise and charatecter-wise. mountaineers, like any other people, mountaineers are rational enough to understand this fact. its like having outdoor shops around because the market exists. the mountaineering community is the intended beneficiary of our efforts, at hindi ang iilan lamang. please understand that this federation is not organized for profit purposes, but for responsible mountaineering.

i may not have answered everything but it is earnestly hoped that through this, we will be more aware of our condition as a community. let us work together to achieve our common purpose. let us go hand-in-hand in creating solutions to our common issues and problems. the condition that we have now may be viewed as our precipice; but this same precipice can also be our way to ultimately achieve unity.

salamat at mabuhay kayo!


edwin d. padrilanan
vp, external affairs/operations
0929.7777647/(02)257.5357

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