by Gideon Lasco
This is an article belonging to the 'climb health' category in PinoyMountaineer. Information provided in this article are based on research and are not meant as a substitute to actual medical advice and healthcare.
BACKGROUND
A familiar sight for mountaineers are the leeches that inhabit Philippine forests. There are several species of haemophagic (blood-eating), parasitic mountain leeches in the Philippines, belonging to the subclass Hirudinea. They range from the familiar brown and black ones to banded varieties, including those with green and yellow stripes. They are locally known as 'limatik' (Tagalog), 'limatok' (Bicol and elsewhere), and 'matok' (Cordilleras) among other names. These leeches range from 1-3 cms, and proliferate during the rainy season. Their extremely sharp sense of vibration enables them to detect approaching animals and humans.For many, they are a nuisance, especially when you open your shoes to find your socks stained red with your own blood. Others have developed a phobia for leeches (bdellophobia), and there have been horror stories about leeches finding their way inside the eyeballs, ears, and other body orifices. In Mt. Banahaw de Lucban, the locals have a particular name (bulalangwan) for a leech that has a notorious tendency to go for soft tissues (i.e. ears, eyes). However you may view these leeches, they are a part of hiking in the Philippines. These blog entry aims for a better understanding of these creatures - and we invite readers to comment about their own 'limatik' experiences!
MOUNTAINS THAT ARE LIMATIK-INFESTED
(mountaineers are invited to challenge/add to this list)
HIGH CONCERN
Mountains with reported high density of limatik, especially during the rainy season but even during other months.
Mt. Halcon and peripheral mountains
Mt. Calavite
Mt. Makiling
Mt. Banahaw de Lucban
Mt. Natib
Mt. Isarog (Patag-Patag trail)
Mt. Kanlaon (Wasay trail)
Mt. Talinis (Cuernos de Negros)
For Mindoro mountains: safe to assume presence of limatiks
For Negros ountains: safe to assume presence of limatiks
Mt. Malindang
SOME CONCERN
Other mountains with reported presence of limatik
Mt. Napulauan
Mt. Ugu
Mt. Pulag (Akiki and Tawangan trails)
Mt. Tabayoc and surrounding areas
Mt. Tapulao
Mt. Makilak (Bataan)
Some areas of Mt. Mariveles
Mt. Pamazam-mazam (Aurora)
Mt. Danayag (Aurora)
Mt. Labo (Camarines Norte)
Mt. Malasimbo (Mindoro)
Mt. Baco (Mindoro)
Mt. Guiting-Guiting (from Camp 2-Bulod's Spring)
Cleopatra's Needle (Palawan)
Mt. Mantalingajan (Palawan)
Mt. Timpoong (Camiguin)
Mountains of the Kitanglad range
Mountains of the Kalatungan range
Mt. Apo (several trails have been reported)
HOW TO PREVENT LIMATIK BITES
Physical, chemical, and botanical means have been reported by mountaineers and mountain guides as strategies to prevent limatik bites.
Physical
The most obvious way, of course, is to physically prevent them from entering your skin by using appropriate clothing. Leggings and rashguards are considered superior to merely wearing trekking pants as the leeches can easily make their way to the skin. Wearing light-colored clothes would also enable you to see the dark-colored leeches coming your way. Avoid shorts, sandos, and sandals for forest trekking. In extremely-infested segments of Mt. Makiling during the height of rainy season (not part of the regular trails), the rangers would also wear ear plugs. Goggles have been proposed also to prevent eye infestation, but PinoyMountaineer does not recommend this because the hiking itself may be compromised. Also, make sure your tents are sealed at nighttime. During rests, do not sit by logs that make access to your skin easier. Nor should your tents be connected with trees or branches.
Chemical
A majority of guides from different Philippine mountains attest to the efficacy of Off lotion in warding off limatik. Its insect repellant properties, of course, add to its value and thus it is the "chemical" of choice. The forest rangers of Mt. Makiling also say that rubbing detergent soap in the surfaces of your socks and pants would deter the leeches; the Mangyans of Mt. Halcon likewise attest to the preventive properties of soap. Alcohol and alcohol-based sprays can be used to remove, but not prevent, limatik bites.
Botanical
The guides of Mt. Kanlaon say that tobacco leaves are useful in prevention. ikmo leaves and the jackfruit peel are some of the anecdotal suggestions elicited from the user comments. The Ifugao dwellers of Mt. Kapugan in Kiangan say they also have a leaf they use as repellent. Still other mountain guides of different mountains say that they have grown used to limatik, and they no longer bother to take them off.
HOW TO REMOVE LIMATIK BITES
Pulling limatiks from your skin is not advisable because it causes the leech to regurgitate (or 'vomit back') the blood it has ingested. It may also aggravate the wound, or cause some part of the leech's jaw to be retained, increasing the risk for infection. Applying a flame, or a alcohol-based solution, is a quick way of removing a leech although it also causes regurgitation. Some studies would say there is risk for disease transmission, but IN GENERAL, this method does not cause removal or infection. Another way is to physically remove the leech by sliding your fingernail beneath its sucker, until its loses its suction.
If the limatik enters your mouth, throat, or nose, gargling with gin or any strong alcoholic beverage should do the trick. In the eyes, physical removal or application of eye drops can remove the limatik ( a lengthier discussion is added below). There might be hemorrhage in the conjunctivae of eyes (eyes will appear red) but this will subside in a matter of days to weeks. If the maneuver is difficult and no one is around to confidently remove the limatik, seek medical attention immediately.
WOUND CAREJust keep the wound clean. If there is bleeding, cover wound with a bandage. If there is itching, one tablet of an antihistamine such as Claritin (Loratadine) may be taken. Antihistamines, however, have a side effect of drowsiness, so in difficult situations where alertness is a must, it may be safer to defer intake of the medication. A must-watch-out-for scenario is if generalized (whole body) itching occurs in the person bit by a leech, as well as appearance of rashes, sweating, dizziness, fever, and difficulty of breathing. These symptoms may mean the person is having a severe allergic reaction. Give antihistamines as first aid, or more preferably epinephrine. Seek medical attention immediately.
EYE CARE
A much-feared scenario is leech entering your eyes. If this happens (and it can really happen), the most important thing is not to panic. Leeches will not cause blindness and most of the time will not damage your eyes irreparably. However, if you react wrongly to this scenario, damage may occur. Do not rinse your eyes with any chemical substance, although natural substances (such a very diluted alcohol or saline solution) may work. Anecdotally, physical removal of the leech using tweezers have worked, although this sometimes leave a permanent mark in the eyes. According to villagers in Brgy. San Miguel, Sto. Tomas, Batangas, the best thing to do is just wait for the limatik to leave your eyes on its own, or wait for it to be full -- this is when its grip gets loose. The safest is of course seek medical attention. Opthalmic drops would likely be used to loosen the leech, or a lamp may be used to heat the eyes and dislodge it. Fortunately, we have not yet heard of any vision-threatening complication of a limatik bite, but understandably this is a psychologically-distressing situation.
While climbing Mt. Makiling via Sto. Tomas last Jan. 2008, limatik entered both my eyes. A villager removed the on my right. The one on my left eye wouldn't show up, so the villager just advised me to sleep it over. In the middle of the night I was woken by a sensation in my eyes and I felt the limatik leaving. I let it be. The next day I went to PGH-Opthalmology. I had subconjunctival hemorrhage (bloody red areas in my eyes) but I was told it will subside in a matter of 1-2 weeks. I was also given eye antibiotics just to be sure. Throughout this ordeal, it didn't hurt a bit, except for the weird feeling of having a limatik inside your eye.
FREQUENTLY-ASKED QUESTIONS
1. Does a limatik's bite hurt?
The answer is no. Limatiks secrete an anesthetic (pain-killing) substance along with its bite so it won't hurt a thing.
2. Can limatik transmit human diseases?
The risk of transmission is practically zero. There have been reports of bacteria and viruses (including HIV) surviving within a leech's body for months, although the chances of infection from this way is very insignificant. No actual reports of infection due to leeches have been reported, and the extremely low incidence of dangerous bloodborne infectious diseases in remote mountains make this threat very minimal. However, for those who are delicate about their health, yes, there is a theoretical risk of transmission. Again, very minimal.
3. Bleeding from my limatik has not stopped for several hours. Is there anything wrong?
Aside from an anesthetic, leeches also secrete an anticoagulant, a substance that prevents blood from clotting. Thus, you may expect bleeding to last for several hours. This may be aggravated if you have a bleeding problem.
4. How much blood will I lose on a leech bite?
A single leech bite will perhaps get 1-3cc of your blood. Comparatively, a blood donation can get anywhere between 200-500cc. Bottom line, there is no risk of significant blood loss from leech bites.
5. Is there a blood type that leeches favor?
No studies show that there is a favoritism. Interestingly enough, however, a study has found that persons with Type O blood are more likely to be bitten by particular types of mosquitoes.
6. Do you really need to protect yourself from limatik bites?
Based on current evidence and experience, extraordinary prevention from limatik is not required for healthy hikers climbing Philippine mountains. An exception is for those with bleeding and clotting problems (i.e. hemophilia in which steps must be undertaken to prevent infection. Likewise, unless the person is inconvenienced, there is no need to remove a limatik when it is having its blood meal. For reasons other than limatk, however, tightly-fitted clothes and insect repellant use is advised.
This is a constantly updated article. Everyone is invited to contribute and challenge the information given here by both the blogger and the those who posted their comments.
Saturday, January 5, 2008
Limatik (blood leeches): an overview
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Wow Thanks for this post, its very informative! keep it up!
HI. I'VE CLIMBED HALCON BEFORE IT WAS CLOSED AND IT WAS REALLY INFESTED WITH LIMATIK, MT. MAKILING ALSO. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I READ SOMEONE WRITING AN ARTICLE ABOUT LIMATIK. VERY HELPUL INDEED. MORE POWER!
nice entry!
thanks for making us informed :)
marami talagang limatik sa makiling, lalo na pagkalampas ng clearing. after 30 mins magsasawa ka nang alisin. pero speaking of blood types, yung kasama namin, di talaga sya kinakagat ng limatik! duguan na yung mga paa namin pero kahit nakashorts lang sya, walang dumadapo sa kanya. weird!
thanks for your comments! keep the limatik stories coming! ill try to gather more info on this.
we had a dayhike makiling traverse last 15nov07 and were infested by leeches after the haring bato.
by the time wo got home there are still live leeches in our clothings, gaiters, socks and shoes. and yes, detergent soaps can really do the trick...it killed them instantly.
rubbing tobacco leaves is also an effective limatik repellant.
thanks for the heads up! really hate bloodsuckers.. this is very useful for beginners like me.. thanks.. (makapag dala nga ng sangkatutak na sabong panlaba pag akyat.. hehehe)
rubbing tobacco leaves is also an effective limatik repellant. --> i agree.
i also read in the internet that tobacco leaves may be used- thanks guys for confirming this.
leeches are also highly present in MT. Pamazam-pazam in Baler specially during the rainy season
to langgam: MT. Pamazam-pazam? can you share to us this mountain? first time ko lang syang narinig... thanks for the info!
we use perfume or cologne as limatik repellant... based on experience, it's also effective.
for limatik prevention, we often rub ourselves with efficascent oil (i think the menthol somehow repels the leeches). we also bring alcohol sprays in case the leeches have penetrated your menthol first line of defense. they'll wriggle themselves out of their bite after getting sprayed.
the bigger concern i have with the leeches is the terrible itch after getting bitten.
i've heard of mt.pamazam-pazam in baler. it's advisable to talk to MAOC about this mountain.
it would seem a number of substances (i.e. alcohol and menthol based) would work for both prevention and removal of limatik. personally i've tried using OFF spray which instantly dislodges the leeches.
yep, the aurora guys would be the best source for the mts in their area -- the sierra madre mountains would make an interesting feature.
hi sir! my friends and i climbed mt ugo last dec 26. 1-2 hours from domolpos is a plain trek infested with limatiks.
:) just add mt ugo to your list :)
someone said that yung isa nya kasama was never bitten by the limatiks...can he/she share his/her tricks? sorry guys...but am really scared of limatiks and am about to climb mt. halcon this march...=(
mt. timpoong in camiguin also..
The natives of Bukidnon brings peel of a ripe jackfruit when they enter into the limatik-infested forest. The leeches evaporated before these jungle people can even go near -unproven yet!
This may be true, aside from extremely sharp of sense of vibration, these leeches are believed to have sharp with sense of smell. We will publish as soon as this is proven.
www.savexplorers.org
Leeches are blind, but they possess an acute sense of smell and touch. The body of the leech has a unique pair of suckers. One is at the posterior (rear) while the other is at the anterior (front) end. The primary use of the posterior sucker is to secure the leech to the bottom structure and to move along the bottom in an inchworm like motion. The primary use of the anterior sucker is for probing and feeding, although it also assists with movement along the bottom.
www.bcadventure.com
quoted by: www.savexplorers.org
hi gideon, this is a nice article. are you a medical student at PGH? the article seems to be written from a doctor's perspective.
Hello! Your post is very informative... Those stripes limatik I remember madami nga sa Halcon.... also in Mt. Makilak madami... using tobacco leaves is very effective... combined with oil...
Does burning it with a lighter do any help?
doc troy, yep, im a third year student at UP medicine.
i just arrived from mt. kanlaon. the guides there say that tobacco leaves (even those from cigarettes) are effective. for prevention, OFF lotion was very effective as we crossed mt kanlaon's wasay trail...and based on my experience it really works.
as for burning it with lighter -- i think not. the limatik are very agile unless engorged, and burning 'em will not dislodge as easily as chemical means. not to mention the risk of burns...
thanks for all your comments!
Hi Sir! we are about to climb maktrav this coming weekend and we appreciate your info regarding this article. Very informative! now were ready to face the limatiks with less fear now. Keep it up Sir!
I remember our climb on mt. malasimbo last summer were all of us panic on the presence of limatiks. hehehe... but now were informed. thanks!
rgds, Dahong Palay Mountaineer (DPM)
Hi Sir Gids,
fyi... I posted ur article on Multiply to spread the knowledge abt limatiks... here are some side comments from other individuals..
"i'd like to contest that TARAK RIDGE is not known to be inhabited by limatik...
we know cuz we are frequent visitors of this ridge... even on a rainy season..."
Kindly correct sir!
rgds, DPM
eto pa po ang follow up comment..
"if you do the so-called reverse that wasn't advisable at all, then that's not part of the tarak ridge...
we're talking of the tarak ridge in the perspective of originating from alas-asin jop...
fyi, mt. mariveles consist of 3 different ridges known to mountaineering community, tarak ridge (including el saco and ventana peak), pantingan ridge and the caybubu ridge... you opted to traverse using lower portion of the pantingan ridge known to be infested of limatik... and that trail was highly un-advisable... we knew this for a fact dahil we reside here in the vicinity of Mt. Mariveles...
hope this will correct this information...
thanks..."
fyi po..
rgds,
DPM
hi -- thanks for this input on limatik and mt. mariveles. i'll remove tarak ridge from the list.
hi Sir Gids,
Its me again.. here's another comment.. nkakaconfuse tlg mga info.. hehehe..
katugamountaineers wrote today at 4:46 AM
"sir mckoleith there's limatik in tarak ridge, you did not experience the bite of limatik simply because you used the traditional trail which has clean and visible trail. use the left ridge the KATUGA trail. yun sir meron don but not much. mngilan ngilan lang di ko lang alam pag umulan kung marami."
fyi po..
rgds, DPM
haller. according to mah bosing, rubbing alcohol pwede. he used that on his way to mt. talinis (negros oriental) via balentong trail. madami din don. alimatok or limatok tawag namin sa leeches. kaya nga hanggang valencia city lang ako at nagtampisaw na lang sa casaroro falls kc natakot na ako don sa mga stories na kahit daw anong tight ng suot mo nakakapasok pa rin ang leeches. cuz nag-e-stretch daw yong body ng leech to fit in tight spaces...pagkabuhos mo ng rubbing alcohol sa leech you have to wait for over a minute. nag-cu-curl up daw and then falls off. advisable din ang plugs to prevent them from entering your ears, and he wore goggles to protect his eyes. yung ilong na lang talaga ang mahirap takpan...thank you for posting this blog gideon. very informative. true we have to know the nature and significance of leeches for us to understand 'em...
nag "maktrav" kami last feb. 8-9, 2008, dami talaga limatik sa makiling sir after ng haring bato, napansin ko lang pag natigil ka sa paglakad dun sila kumakapit parang ang lakas ng pang-radar nila... 35 limatik kumapit sa akin nun 5 sa mukha, yung 1 nakuha ko malapit na pumasok sa tenga, yung 1 naman sa itaas ng mata!!!
nag-maktrav kami last feb. 8-9, 2008 super dami talaga limatik after ng haring bato hanggang pagbaba namin sa los banos, napansin ko lang na pag natigil kami sa paglalakad bigla sila naatake, pumapaltik pa yung iba!!! 35 kumapit sa akin nun binilang ko talaga... hehehe 5 nakuha ko sa mukha, yung 1 muntik na pumasok sa tenga, yung 1 naman nakuha ko malapit sa mata... pinipitik na lang namin! kaya pag nagpapahinga kami nun sa parteng tuyo ang lupa...
to pinay_mangatkatay: thanks for your inputs. talinis must really be limatik-infested to have to resort to such measures like wearing earplugs and goggles!
to saku: maktrav swarms with limatik indeed! congratulations on the 35 leeches -- mabuti walang pumasok sa mata mo! hehe...when i did maktrav nung january two leeches entered my eyes. next time i'll consider wearing goggles :D
perhaps this is the most extreme case of all: i was told that someone climbing makiling had a limatik enter his male organ! the poor fellow had to undergo surgery (probably due to urinary obstruction). he later vowed to wear a condom if ever he'll go back to makiling.
mas advisable ang leggins sa makiling kesa sa trekking pants, nakakapasok pa rin kasi loob ng pants ang limatik katulad ng nangyari sa isa ko kasama, nalaman na lang nya kasi puro dugo na ang upper part ng trekking pants... according dun sa farmer na nakausap namin paakyat sa bundok pwedeng pangkontra sa kanila ang dahon ng ikmo ipapahid lang daw sa balat para hindi da nila kapitan takot daw ang mga limatik sa amoy ng ikmo...
Hi Gideon!
You have a very nice and informative website for trekkers!
This is Brian from UP Remontados. We met during our Mt. Daguldul climb in October 2005.
Yun, gusto ko lang mag-add sa listahan ng bundok na may mga limatik.
Members of UP Montad including me and Doc FranCis climbed Mt. Danayag in San Luis, Aurora last May 2003 together with some locals. (this is one of the 4 mountains featured in this year's Fed Climb to be held in Baler, Aurora.)
Ang daming limatik! Lahat kami nagkaroon ng 3 or more bites.
Medyo mataas din yung bundok.
More power Gid!
hi brian! narinig ko nga kila doc cis at shenna that you did an explo climb sa aurora -- well ahead of this year's fed climb! hehe!
its nice to hear from you. climbing with you guys was really fun and i miss those days in AS!
hi, thanks for the overview. a very helpful article indeed. we just came from apo taking tamayong-kidapawan trail. unfortunately, we encountered few dozens of limatiks. i am not sure if the rain caused it or because the trail in tamayong is mossy. proper attire really helps.
thanks raymond. i should add apo to the list, and g2 also :D
we climb Mt. Apo last March 17 to 20 via the magpet-bongolanon trail and the same was limatik infested as well...
interestingly, those with type O blood were affected compared to the other climbers with other blood types...
Hi Gids,
We went to Sampaloc Falls in Mt. Romelo just yesterday, May 1. We encountered limatiks along the river trail going to Sampaloc Falls. It seems that limatiks are everywhere in tropical forest especially in locations where it is occasionally wet.
Jasper Obico
Hi Gideon,
There are also limatiks in Mount Labo, Camarines Norte; Pulantuna Peak. Just for your information.
Hi, i'm glad to have came across this blog on Limatik and the Traverse of makiling. We plan to do the Maktrav this June 1 in prep for the Pulag climb this June 7, and this article is really an eye opener for novice mountaineers like me and the rest of my buddies. Hope to return the favor and share some additional input after our ordeal. ".elayosa)
@noel, jasper, anonymous: thanks for the updates on mt. apo, mt. romelo, and mt. labo. it seems that a majority of our mountains are actually infested with limatiks during rainy season.
what's interesting is that the level of aggressiveness of these limatiks vary. mountaineers i've met speak of limatiks that are of the "shy type" and those that are very very bloodthirsty such as those of halcon.
@val: glad to be of help. have a nice maktrav!
@val:
i made updates on the list of limatik-affected mountains, incorporating readers' comments as well as my recent experience in mt. tabayoc.
Me and two of my officemates climbed Mt. MaquÃling last April. Two of us applied detergents to our socks. But we didn't encounter any leeches anyway. We used Sipit Trail, but in the end, we made our own trail. Eventually, the vegatation grew thick, thus we weren't able to reach the peak. I was very conscious about those leeches, especially since I have an acute fear of blood. Luckily, we didn't encounter them. Are those leeches found only near the summit? Regards.
limatik is present at the sto. tomas side of makiling all throughout the forest line.
however during summer months and nonrainy days they may be absent. the rains and moisture trigger their activity and their heightened sense of vibration detects humans.
its not unusual for makiling climbs to end unsuccessfully, given the very confusing aned obscure trail esp. beyond melkas. i hope though that u enjoyed your adventure!
hi sir!
i experienced limatik at Mt. Natib, going down to the falls.i saw green colored species and you can see them hanging in front of you. to avoid it we used shampoo. we applied shampoo to our exposed skin. it helped a lot!
thanks po sa info. narinig ko na po sa mga kasama ko ang limatik kala ko kung anu po yun.linta rin pala, but anyway i had a knowledge thru d info that been given, on how to prevent and how to give some first aid. So next climb ko po at least k na. MORE POWER AND THANKS.... GOD BLESS US ALL................
Hey Gid, this post won at a blog award.
http://www.philippineblogawards.com.ph/2008/09/21/the-winners-of-the-2008-philippine-blog-awards/#more-462
Congrats!
Add Mt. Malindang in the list. I was bitten up there. While trekking in Mt. Arangin in Naujan, part of the Halcon Range, last May, there were lots of these creatures even at the base of the mountain. I was told that there were two species: the smaller brown kind at the lower elevations that are usually found at the ground and another, bigger and colored green species in the upper elevations that prefers to enter body orifices especially at the face. Pumipitik daw ito.
What the Mangyans told us to do, was to use soap. One of the guides had a stick where a piece of soap was attached. Whenever a limatik would cling, he just gets it off with the stick's tip.
hi sir cecil, yep i was there to receive the award! thanks..
@estan: thank you for this. we have yet to hear a mindoro mountain that has no presence of limatik! as for mt. malindang - may i know which peak/ trail you climbed?
gideon, it was more of a day hike at lower elevation. forgot the specific part but the entry point is in hoyohoy, tangub city.
seen some limatiks at the top of Hidden Falls in Buntot Palos... tho not that much then in 2001, don't know now.
Hi Sir Gid,
Recently climbed Mt. Isarog via Patag patag trail on a wet weather, jumping limatiks, limatik waiting on trail everywhere. My protection is leotard, tights that extend to your soles, wiht no other opening than the waistline. wear gloves, arm guard. you can spray alcohol then pitikin mo after ma loosen yung kapit. Based on experience, me mga tao talagang lapitin ng limatik. Nung paakyat bihira ung gumapang sakin pero nung pababa mejo marami na. Try nyong paunahin ung mga kasama nyo para sa kanila muna kakapit! =P To handle limatiks, quoting Sir Jojo of Kadlagan, your fingers should be dry then pag tinanggal mo sa damit mo bilut-bilutin mo sila para di makakapit sa kamay mo after. It works. earplugs oo pag sobrang limatik pero goggles? diba parang hassle? Constant limatik check with a buddy.
alcohol and alcohol-based sprays are really one of the best methods we have at hand; wearing goggles is something that i only heard of from forest rangers who've been to the thickest of jungles but personally i think that's going too far - even though i've experienced having limatik in my eyes!
constant limatik check? i second the motion.
@ backpackingsheet, kasama rin ako don sa isarog climb. sobra limatik don. dami ko kagat
sir gideon, may experience din kami sa amuyao. nagclimb kami last august, may limatik na kumagat sa kasama ko. pero isa lang.
hi sir gid..
sir fyi..even the famous mt. romelo/famy is now conquered by limatiks sucker..it was my 7th visit last wek and it was my 1st xprience wer sum of my co-mountaners ben victimized of wat they caled nasty blodsucker..so for the beginner watch out..esp. on those mudy site..
brian
@estan: our coverage of mindanao mountains is still very limited -- i hope i will have time later to visit places like malindang as well..
@brian, it seems that limatiks really favor moisture and romelo abounds with it, esp. during rainy season.
as for amuyao - which part of the trail? id expect the traverse trail to be more prone to limatiks compared to the pine forests up from barlig.
Hi. I've used OFF lotion as well to repel and dislodge limatiks. Tried it in Halcon, Makiling, and other limatik-infested areas. Although a few have managed to enter my socks, I suffered generally far less bites than my companions.
check my recent encounter with the limatiks. bloody mess http://gustokosisiomai.multiply.com/photos/album/31/UP_ORG_Rec_3A_-_Mt._Natib
hehehehe...i really hate leeches of any kind....my god i feel like im dying when i see a leech how much more when seeing them sucking my blood......ahhhhhh
@brylle: very "nice" pics with the limatik!
tanong lang po, kung walang mga mountaineers, mga locals at mga kabayo't baka na napapadpad sa mga area na ma-limatik..
.. ano ang diet nila? mga lamok? hehe.
invite ko po kayo to experience the new trail of mt.asog may limatik din po d2 hahahaha
gusto ko mg alpine climbing my mkktulong b skin dyn?hehe, seryoso ko
hello
salt lang pang remove ng limatik. kung aakyat kayo sa bundok magbalot kau sa kapirasong tela ng salt then some drop of water para mabasa ang tela. ipahid nio lang un sa limatik tanggal agad at patay matagal silang na expose.
wow mam/sir nice tip. tipid sa alcohol cost.
-backpackingsheet
dec 22 23 2008 mt.romelo my 3rd time encounter with limatiks kasiyahan ng socials na ambush kami sa kubo!malakas kasi ang ulan nung kaya naglabasan...kinabukasan mga ksama ko naman nadale hangang sa byahe!!!press. namin may take home pa gawa ng bag :D
noli
best tip be the first on the trail coz limatiks detects us by our breath "carbon dioxide" that would trigger them to act because of an animal presence. try to do some experiment if u see an limatik put it on a paper or leaves then try blowing air from different direction you will see how it will interact.
We recently did the Maktrav last Jan. 31 to Feb. 1 and all I can say is it's totally infested with limatiks especially going from Peak 3 to Peak 2(wild board trail). Some tips I might give is soaking your socks/legging on detergent powder overnight before the climb, closing the wrist and ankle entry points with rubber band and applying off lotion on your whole body. Luckily I was not bitten even once but I should say prepare for an ambush. Also we can attest on the effectivity of applying alcohol on limatiks for the kill.
Pagdating sa limatik, ang ginagawa ko dyan, pinipitik ko na lang ng daliri timing lang dapat.
Sa makiling, marami na nyan dun pagkalampas ng first water source. Kaya dapat mabilis na ang lakad pag dumaan sa area na yun.
to all mountaineers just take a bottle of rubbing alcohol its very easy to take them off just put a drop on them and they will easily fell
Menthol oil lang katapat nyan,ewn ko lng kng ddkit ang limatik na yan,,ok lng yan gamot naman ang mga linta yinatangal nya un mga dead cell,ilagay u sa sugat na hnd gumgaling,after two days tuyo na ung sugat,,friendky limatik un wag lng mag panic..
hi, i was bitten by a limatik when our group do a night trek to Mt. Amuyao last November. the thing is i was bitten again by a limatik when we do river trekking/crossing and going to the falls in Laiban, Tanay, Rizal last February 21. After the Laiban trek, i feel itchiness with the Amuyao bites and together with the Laiban bites (dami kasi limatik dun). Sana you can help explain, bakit yung bites ko with limatik makati at medyo "bukol" yung kagat ng limatik sa akin lalo na yung sa amuyao na bites (wala na sana 'tong amuyao bites...bigla na lang after nakagat ulit..)
Meron sa trail papuntang Tukuran sa Mindoro. Paisa isa dahil siguro summer. Ewan ko lang sa tag-ulan. Baka mas marami. Magugulat ka nalang nagfi-flip walk sya sa damit. :D
Diet for limatiks renz? Hmmm.. Used napkin left behind by lousy lady mounties.. Tea Bags anyone?
For Mt. Tapulao climbers, there was a single bite incident of short wormlike dark brown leech ( April 10, 2009 ) along 2nd Water Station, may elevated portion doon na pwedeng mahiga .. we rather rested in the middle of the road.
Sa mt Damlan Mindoro meron din, nung nagexplore kami dun dagsa ang limatik! eeeew!!!
Yun nga palang mt. Damlan eh sa Mindoro din... ^^
LIMATIK.. mayroon akong friend and mgkasama kming umakyat sa Mt. Natib (at that time ung 2days n nandun kmi may bagyo ata.. wlang tigil ung ulan --so, 2days din kming basa--, then ginabi n kmi sa pagakyat dun s peak).. ung kagat nya ng limatik as in almost 100bites sa buong ktawan.. after 2 weeks, tsaka lng sya nilagnat at namamaga ung braso nya sa left arm. ngkconnect2 ung kagat nya from his hands to shoulder.. as in ngaun 3days n syang may lagnat. sabi ni doc tinamaan ung -(i forgot)-..Hindi n nai-continue ung pag admit ksi sa private room gusto ni doc.. ever ang mahal(wlang budget)!
pangit tlga umakyat ng umuulan
I used denatured alcohol in removing leeches in Mt. Matutum last July 09. Since it was the only alcohol based i have.. and it works! You can add Mt. Matutum on the list of leech infested Mountains....
hi,,last sat and sun lng po eh anniv climb nmin,,sa mt. malasimbo,,hmmnnn,,dmi nga limatik dun,,inabutan pa naman kmi ng ulan
may limatik po ba sa UPLB trail ng makiling?
sa uplb po wala.sa wide trail pa akyat wag po muna kayo kabahan dahil wala pa po mga limatik dun.makikita nyo po ung sign na "wilderness zone" dun po nag uumpisa ang "LIMATIK ALERT" :) note po.wag po kayo titigil sa masyadong madamo dahil ma ttrace lang kayo ng mga limatik.mas mganda kung dretso lamang ang trek.buddy system is a must. sa clear places lang po kayo 2migil para mag check bawat buddy sa mga crit areas lalo na sa face natin. un lang. ej hir. frm.laguna
Station 12 start ng limatiks, lalo pag maulan...
doblehin ang warmer..effective ang alcohol..
gudluck!
I always carry a shaker of iodized salt in my pocket anytime I enter "limatik territory". It does not prevent those "acrobatic worms" from sucking my blood, but whenever I see an attached limatik, I sprinkle it with the iodized salt, and it seems to just come off quite easily. It also seems to help with the bleeding and the wound. I have used this method many times in Mt.Makiling and once in Mt.Napulauan. In any case YMMV.
~leave no trace~
ano po kaya ang pwedeng gamot s sugat n iniwan ng gakat ng limatik, kasi po ung sugat e prang ayaw gumaling, matutuyo sya at mawawala ang kati then few days mangangati na ulit sya at mbubuhay n ulit ang sugat at nagtutubig p. ung isa ko student s community ung sugat lumaki at lumapad, malapad p s 10 peso coin. ano po kaya ang pwedeng ipang-gamot? salamat po.
wow. i love to read these comments. haha. i was in makiling yesterday. we climbed our way to peak 2. at since it was really foggy yesterday there, napakaraming limatik. and i never noticed that may bite din ako until after we got home. it is on my ankle just as sa mga kasama ko. it was my first encounter with these leeches. now i know what to do next time. :)
wow..
Argie here!
sir tanong ko lang.. gnun po ba kabilis gumalaw ung limatik at para mkapasok xa sa mata mo at indi sya mapigilan?! tska indi mo ba mapapansin na may limatik na nakakapit sau?! salamt!
this is truly interesting :)
thanks for sharing the list of leech-infested mountains here in the Philippines :)
I love the prevention tips as well :)
hi, I was bitten by a limatik in Mt. Malasimbo, mindoro...Di ko napansin na may kagat din ako sa hips ko then after ilang days, nainfect na ung sugat..dun ko lang xa napansin..i though its just a mere infected wound but my friend who is also with us in that climb had also an infection so that concludes that its because of limatiks..
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antibiotcs and pain reliever helps pero ang hirap pa din because its been 4 days na and we will be having our freedom climb in pico de loro..
just to inform.. :)
Gusto ko i-share ang aking experience sa Mt. Makiling. Not just limatik but also the trail.
Ang limatik ay attracted din sa body heat.
At sabi nga dito sa article pati sa vibrations, better if you trek silently. Wag mag ingay nang sobra at sumigaw pag nakagat ng limatik dahil mas madami ang lalabas pag ganon.
Pero ayun, sobrang enjoy lalu na kung nareach mo ung Peak 2! YEAH!
Kung ayaw mo mo mpasukan ng limatik sa mata, maglagay ng off lotion sa muka. Gamitin after sobrang magpawis kasi nawawala ang effectivity.
At kung sobrang maulan that time lalo na kung sa Mt. Makiling ka aakyat, dapat maganda at matibay ang rubber shoes mo kasi sobrabg maputik at matarik ang trail paakyat ng Peak 2 kung dun ka dumaan sa Makiling Trail.
Tungkol nga pala sa Mt. Makiling na kababalaghan, mas mabuti na wag magiwan ng basura or gumawa ng mga kalokohan kasi one time niligaw kami ni Makiling. Antagal tagal na namin naglalaakd sa trail din kami makaabot sa baba. Meron pang sound kaming naririnig wala naman kaming kasunod. Kaya takot na takot na kami. Nung binaligtad ng kasama namin ung damit nya, wala pang 5mins nakita namin iba naming kasama at malapit na kami sa baba. Medyo madilim na nung nakababa kami.
may i suggest that an article be made concerning the niknik? i believe its one aspect of philippine mountaineering thats overlooked, compared to the more famous limatiks.
yes..we went to mindoro a few days ago for a mission trip grabe an daming limatik dun kasi nga mejo maulan nun pati ang mga leeches eh mahilig sa moist environment yung malalapit sa batis talaga. hindi mo malalaman na sumisipsip na sila ng dugo sayo.
in our place at kibungan benguet, i was taught to rub salt or ash at bite sites... or just leave them alone to suck blood until they drop... quite itchy after but managable though... move fast and avoid pausing when hiking in infested areas, it minimizes the chance of contact with the "limatik" or "alimatek" (local parlance of leech) ... one amazing thing one person can do to the limatik is to turn it over inside out like one's socks turning it inside out, but thats another story... visit kibungan and folks will teach you how... god speed be blessed climb high and low
tanong lang po., panu po bah nakakarating an limatik sa ating mata? hindi po ba natin mararamdaman na gumagapang sila sa ating mukha pa punta sa ating mata?
-chris
very informative! salamat sir gideon.
yesterday, my girlfriend was bitten in the eye when we hike Mt. Makiling. With a help from a fellow mountaineer, she was instructed to blink her eye until the body of limatik shows outside her eye then he pulled it out. Thank God it does not sucked her blood yet in the eye. At first she thought it was only her hair that irritates her eye.
March 13, 2011
Maktrav.Major major
naitanong ko sa kasama ko kung bakit walang naliatik sa aming grupo...
sagot niya..syiempre Anak ng diyos mountaineers eh...nakalimutan ko anak pala kami ng diyos..
I remember when my UPLB friends invited me to go swimming sa flatrocks ng MT. Makiling. I can still hear my scream even pag baba namin sa campus. notorious pala ang limatik walastik sa flatrocks. the next climb namin I bought two large bottle of ethyl alcohol and it works!!! I dont need to pull them anymore. coz hindi nila alam kung saan sila tatalon pag binubuhusan ko na sila ng alcohol.hahaha I think I kill em all!hahaha those were the days....haaaayyyz
wow. nice tips. going on MakTrav tomorrow and I just bought OFF, Spray Alcohol, and my pantyhose today (i'm a guy) i'll soak it in detergent powder tonight.
wow tnx 4 dis info,,, lm n nmin kung nu dpat gwin,,, kc mga bgong mountners lng kme,,, we named our group as MSG,,,,
Mountaineering South Group....
Hi, sa lb ako nag-aral pero nakagraduate na ako at lahat never akong umakyat ng makiling dahil sa takot ko sa limatik... sa flat rocks pa lang kasi dun sa may mababaw na water area... madaming stone leeches... nabuwang talaga ako... pero now, i'm better informed... i might not be excited to climb makiling pero pwede ko na siya iconsider =)
Yesterday we climbed Makiling Peak 2 and Positive, facing the same scenario about the lematik, but along the trail, we found some useful tips on how to get rid off them once they're already on you.
Get a lighter, try burning them till they release their bite from you then you can tick them off easily.
they bite through cotton type clothes. make sure you have a good, sealed thicker clothing materials on you. Tight fitting, not advisable.
Do a 'Limatik Check' - as how we termed our experience- every once in a while.
You will know if they already feasting on you if you see saliva coming out of their mouth already. but while no signs are seen, you can just tick them off easily.
LIMATIK SUCKS!!!
(this maybe true but yeah, I had Limatik on my forehead and neck, but they can't bite through me. weird...)
Sir dagdag ko lang,
Mt. Irid sa Rizal ang dami din limatik. pagkagaling namin dun 9 na limatik yung nabilang ko na nakakagat sakin kasama na yung isa na kumagat sa maselang bahagi ng katawan ko hehehe.. sa personal experience ko yun yung pinakamaraming kagat sakin. Di ko lang alam kung sa weather din kasi maulan nung umakyat kami.
- mcdog
thanks, this is very helpful.. i just have 1 question. are leeches can survive inside the human body?will it multiply?thank you God bless.
ann
Ann
I think Limatik/leeches cannot survives inside the body, they will need a certain amount of oxygen, i've not read any articles that say so they lived and multiplied inside their host. the most internal attachment i've read so far was in the nasal and vaginal passage...
i hope this will help.
Ang mga limatik o linta ay maganda po sa katawan dahil ang sinisipsip nila ay yung maduduming dugo sa ating katawan. Kahit i-search nyo pa sa youtube. Type nyo lang dun about leech therapy at talagang mabibigla at mamamangha kayo. Ang dami palang napapagaling na sakit ng mga limatik o leeches na ito. :)
DMAM
hello. i climbed Peak 2 April 2010 from UPLB Forestry to fulfill a 30 yr old promise, but only did so after i read this article. takot kasi ako sa limatik. i had liver transplant a few years ago, and i had blood transfusion as part of the procedure. i was also given hirudin, from the saliva of leeches, to prevent blood coagulation. highly allergic pala ako dun. i went up prepared (perhaps too excessively so) after rubbing my entire body with efficascent oil and bringing OFF, alcohol, sun block, salt solution and other chemicals. as leeches thrive in pollution-free environments, apparently any chemical will have some effect on them. AFAIK walang kumagat. so salamat sa info dito.
For some reason, petroleum jelly worked perfectly during Natib. You can apply it anywhere without the worry of chemical reactions to skin (so I thought). Saline drops also works like charm for eye bites of our "Cullen" frineds. :)
there are also limatiks in mt.romelo even in the campsite niear buruwisan falls
Sir, a friend said that putting calamansi on the eyes can remove the leech, do you think its true? if it really does remove the leech, what about the eye? can calamansi harm the eye? thanks!
on my first climb in Makiling,ang dami kong nakuhang pantal sa buong katawan ko!! dont know if its limatik bite but i think its because of other agents..hence a very fun introduction of hiking to me : )
hahahaha... limatik pala tawag dun.. kala ko kung anu na... :)) nakapost mga pics na yan sa fb ko... it sucks... nakakatakot... di mo maramdaman na nakadikit na pala sa balat mo ung leech na un..hahaha... buti nkauwi kami ng aus kahapon. :D
... ngayon lang ako nagsearch tungkol sa limatik at nakita ko blog nyo.
... share lang po! 'di po kami hiker o mountaineer at 'di rin sanay umakyat ng bundok. umakyat kami ng boardmate ko sa Mt. Makiling na hindi prepared nung lunes (Aug. 20, 2012) at bumaba kahapon kasi wala kaming pasok at walang magawa sa bahay. natripan lang naming biglang magdecide na umakyat, at first time ko sa peak 2 at di ko rin alam ang tungkol sa limatik. ang dala lang namin ay tubig at bag na may lamang camera, kumot, pagkain at konteng first aid kit.
... first time ko ma-encounter ang limatik at napansin ko lang yun nung tumigil kami sa Agila Base. Inabot kami ng malakas na ulan tapos nagsimula silang dumami na nakatambay lang sa mga dahon at bato sa daanan na halos kada hakbang eh may kumakapit na limatik sa binti. Pero pagbaba namin kinabukasan, paisa-isa na lang ang nasa daanan kasi wala nang ulan. Natatanggal sila sa pitik pero mas ok pala yung alkohol(buti nakapagdala ako kahit konti) kasi bitiw sila agad. Na-try ko din yung gunting(galing sa first aid kit); 'pag naputol ang katawan nito, bibitiw na ng kusa yung limatik. As preventive na mapasok ang tenga, naglagay kami ng bulak bago matulog. Thanks. -Jay ng Pangasinan na nagtatrabaho dito sa Calamba.
Meron din sa Mt. Romelo
Hi! Salamat sa blog post, ngayon na-relieve na akong hindi naman pala nakakabulag ang limatik. Last Thursday umakyat kasi kami without preparation haha.
Hi all. I'm one of those who are lucky enough not to be fancied much by limatiks. Here's my stats. On a regular hike my friends get an average of 5 leeches in makiling while i get 0-1. Once on a really wet and terrible hike in the same mountain my friends got 25 on average while i only managed 5. Interestingly, I'm also not fancied much by mosquitoes.
No secrets here but i do think it has something to do with the blood...could be something else too. I still don't know what though.
On a different note, i once showed a group of students what a limatik is by picking up one crawling on a leaf. i told them that based on a previous experience, it tries to reach out when you bring it near your skin and proceeded to demonstrate but it won't stretch out. However, when i brought it up to my mouth joking that i will swallow it instead, the thing aggressively tried to go for me. Heat attraction proven.
i have encountered these bloody creatures in Napulauan, andami dun, sa una, nakakatakot pero sa huli mapapagod ka din sa kakapitik, lalo na kung sa bangin side ka pa magpipitik-pitik hehe,"bangin o limatik?" Anyway, it was really painless, yun yung maganda dun, kaso manlalagkit kaitribil. We have one friend that was not affected, zero bite, there's one on her face kaso biglang bumitaw. The thing is, she was a vegetarian kaya ayun, binibiro namin na sinasabi sa kanya ng limatik "Pwe, lasang dahon na naman haha".
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